Intelligence Program Gives US Government Direct Access to Customer Data on Apple Servers [Update: Apple Denies]

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    The Guardian and The Washington Post newspapers are reporting on a top secret intelligence program that gives the U.S. National Security Agency direct access to user data on corporate servers across a wide spectrum of Internet companies including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple.

    Apple reportedly joined the program in 2012, though Microsoft has been involved since 2007. It is unknown how or why Apple resisted joining the program for five years, nor why it decided to join in 2012. Twitter is noticeably absent from the list of companies, while Dropbox is said to be "coming soon".

    Update: An Apple spokesperson gave this statement to AllThingsD:
    Longtime Apple board member and former U.S. Vice President Al Gore tweeted earlier: "In digital era, privacy must be a priority. Is it just me, or is secret blanket surveillance obscenely outrageous?"

    Data from the program, code-named PRISM, is frequently used in the President's Daily Brief -- a daily intelligence report for the U.S. President -- with PDB briefings citing PRISM data 1,477 times last year. The Post reports that data from PRISM accounts for nearly 1 in 7 intelligence reports.

    From The Washington Post:
    Theoretically, the program is used to obtain data on foreign operatives, but it is possible for the NSA to scoop up untold amounts of data related to American citizens as well.

    Apple's privacy policy does make allowances for this sort of disclosure to the authorities:
    The Washington Post and Guardian stories contain much more about PRISM, including slides from a PowerPoint presentation outlining the program that is classified TOP SECRET.

    The Guardian reported earlier today that the National Security Agency is collecting call logs from Verizon Business Network Services "on an ongoing daily basis" on all calls "between the United States and abroad" or "wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls." The data includes "the numbers of both parties on a call [...], as is location data, call duration, unique identifiers, and the time and duration of all calls".

    Update 7:41 PM: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper has issued a press release noting that the Washington Post and Guardian reports contain "numerous inaccuracies" and indicating that any data collection is limited to non-U.S. citizens located outside of the United States.
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    Article Link: Intelligence Program Gives US Government Direct Access to Customer Data on Apple Servers [Update: Apple Denies]
  2. smithrh macrumors 68020


    Feb 28, 2009

    Not happy.

    At all.
  3. Santabean2000 macrumors 68000


    Nov 20, 2007
    Ironic, considering the US Govt. is one of the least trust worthy organisations. Ever.
  4. Doctor Q Administrator

    Doctor Q

    Staff Member

    Sep 19, 2002
    Los Angeles
    What do you bet that Steve Jobs and Tim Cook had differing opinions about cooperating with the program?
  5. smithrh macrumors 68020


    Feb 28, 2009
    Could be.

    I note Google was on board early. That's not surprising.
  6. LIVEFRMNYC macrumors 604

    Oct 27, 2009
    Tomorrow's headline news .......

    New Terror Attack
    Why didn't our government do enough?
  7. Lancer macrumors 68020


    Jul 22, 2002
    How does this affect those of us outside the US?
  8. ugahairydawgs macrumors 68030


    Jun 10, 2010
    First off....Google's a bunch of freaking liars. Flatly denied any involvement in any sort of program like this earlier this year. anyone really surprised? The Internet is a great tool, but any sort of sense of privacy erodes away more and more each day. We store a lot of data on other people's servers and do it in the name of convenience without giving it much of a thought. We are now seeing what we all really should have seen coming....that our convenience comes at a price.

    9-11 was a terrible day and one that undoubtedly left a scar. We made a lot of mistakes in the aftermath that we would be best served to undo, starting with the Patriot Act. Ketchup may be too far out of the bottle at this point though.
  9. ZacNicholson macrumors 6502a


    Jun 25, 2011
  10. 2bikes macrumors 6502

    Mar 9, 2012
    Probably it was Steve that resisted it before, hence joining after 2012 date.
  11. DesterWallaboo macrumors 6502


    Sep 7, 2003
    Western USA
  12. bacaramac macrumors 65816


    Dec 29, 2007
    Not that I like the fact they have access, but can you imagine the power/knowledge they posses having this access. That assumes they know how to use it.
  13. diddl14, Jun 6, 2013
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    diddl14 macrumors 6502a


    Aug 10, 2009
    Boston shows that this is all worthless ********.
  14. DesterWallaboo macrumors 6502


    Sep 7, 2003
    Western USA
    And supposedly the American citizens are the paranoid ones.

    Look at the paranoia exhibited by the government with this type of behavior.
  15. thadoggfather macrumors G3


    Oct 1, 2007
    Can even the most (blind) and denying loyal Obama followers admit: Obama dun goofed.

    Between this and Verizon, AP tapping, Benghazi coverups (don't bother overexaggerating it, it was a 9/11 off shore, even on 9/11, but anyways...) that has whistleblowers jobs threatened from coming forward, awesome sauce, NDAA to allow indefinite detention of prisoners WITHOUT due process signed on New Year's Eve when Obama promised to veto it, the politically discrimating IRS, whose head visited WH 157 times (of course Obama knew about it, you thought he learned about it when mainstream media reported it? He is president, come on, he was/is in on it), electing Rice as a national security adviser, THIS IS INSANE.

    something needs to be done immediately. I don't think the American people can be afford to be passive anymore.

    He is not a democrat. he is something straight out of 1984.
  16. jlgolson Contributing Editor


    Jun 2, 2011
    Durango, CO
    Don't be evil.
  17. seble macrumors 6502a

    Sep 6, 2010
    What annoys me the most, is how this affects people outside of the US too. Surely with this it would allow them to monitor facebook profiles of people in England say.
  18. thadoggfather macrumors G3


    Oct 1, 2007
    btw this Obamacare (which I assure you is no AppleCare even on its worst day) is going to be run by the IRS.

    Our national health coverage. Run. by. IRS. The neutral and loving. I.R.S.

    yeaaaah..... Good luck getting sick.
  19. bwillwall macrumors 6502a


    Dec 24, 2009
  20. OafTobark macrumors 6502


    Oct 24, 2011

    this is what comforts me knowing there are some truly sane people still left in this country that sees past the painted image.

    it truly is all a mirage, ever since America's first great failure... Vietnam
  21. koban4max macrumors 68000

    Aug 23, 2011
    i'm sure they got your infos....
  22. AppleMark macrumors 6502a


    Jun 17, 2009
    The CCTV Capital of the World
    Well....., read the following:

  23. koban4max macrumors 68000

    Aug 23, 2011

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