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Intelligent Energy's Hydrogen Fuel Cell Technology Can Now Fit Inside an iPhone
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Try to explain how the wet spot on your pants is from your phone!
Although the self driving Apple Car(t) could potentially benefit from this tech.
Although the self driving Apple Car(t) could potentially benefit from this tech.
By my earlier calculations, it looks like this would put out about 1.6g of water vapor a day to power an iPhone 6. Assume that's spread over 16 hours of use and that it's just as active in your pocket as it is when it's not in your pocket.
The human breath has about 20mg of water per breath.
Find a cotton cloth. Take a deep breath. Place the cloth over your mouth. Let that breath out slowly over the course of 12 minutes (this part may require some practice to get right). See the embarrassing wet spot on the cloth?
It's not the nature of the board that I questioned so much as the nature of your claim. That observation IS what I have to add, for now.
Thank you for your swift reply.
Now I'm waiting to see what James Bond can du with a hydrogen iPhone instead of waiting for the new Skylake MBP. Wait, I can get that with a hydrogen battery maybe?
Water is 66.67% hydrogen...but we don't worry about exploding water. Hydrogen also makes up approximately 75% of the atoms in the universe. In terms of Hydrogen's safety, it all has to do with the implementation and in what form it is used, ie., in a non-combustible form. As far as this particular tech goes, it sounds unlikely and impractical for most people (including me). I don't want disposable/recyclable cartridges; and current methods to produce hydrogen are based on fossil fuels. So while a hydrogen-fueled item is itself non-polluting, the means to produce the hydrogen fuel (currently) is totally dirty and not much different than just using a fossil fuel. Someone earlier mentioned that the oil/fossil fuel industry would like us to use hydrogen - since it would keep them in business (until we run out). It's hard to disagree with this viewpoint, since that does seem likely - why wouldn't the oil/fossil fuel industry want a 'new' 'friendly' market like hydrogen production?
I knew this story seemed confusing. Finally figured out what it is. The part that runs the phone for a week is not inside the phone. The breakthrough is making a fuel-cell thin enough to fit inside the iPhone without needing to remove the Li-Ion battery pack. Which is very impressive, but the fuel-cell doesn't power anything without a constant supply of fuel. The hydrogen fuel cartridge that will actually supply the fuel to the internal fuel-cell to power the phone for a week is still outside the phone. There's no mention in the article of exactly how big the external fuel cartridge will need to be.
If it were possible to power an iPhone for a week with a hydrogen fuel-cell setup that fits entirely inside the phone, we'd have hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles that could go over 2,000 miles on a single tank of hydrogen. But the Toyota Mirai is rated for 312 miles while the Tesla Model S with 90kWh battery will have a range of almost 300 miles. In other words the amount of energy we can get from batteries is very similar to the amount of energy we can get out of a tank of hydrogen. This is interesting but it's like towing a big external hydrogen tank behind the Mirai to make it go further. The question is how small can they make the external fuel cartridge. Will it be much smaller than an external battery pack sufficient to run the phone for the same length of time? One wonders.
If it were possible to power an iPhone for a week with a hydrogen fuel-cell setup that fits entirely inside the phone, we'd have hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles that could go over 2,000 miles on a single tank of hydrogen. But the Toyota Mirai is rated for 312 miles while the Tesla Model S with 90kWh battery will have a range of almost 300 miles. In other words the amount of energy we can get from batteries is very similar to the amount of energy we can get out of a tank of hydrogen. This is interesting but it's like towing a big external hydrogen tank behind the Mirai to make it go further. The question is how small can they make the external fuel cartridge. Will it be much smaller than an external battery pack sufficient to run the phone for the same length of time? One wonders.
According to the article, "For the commercial launch the company is developing a disposable cartridge that would slot into the bottom of future smartphones and contain enough hydrogen-releasing powder for a week of normal use without recharging."
"Slot into" makes it sound like they've made it smaller than a week long battery charge pack, unless the point is to use it as a charge pack-- meaning you remove it for use, and slot it in to recharge... That's the methodology behind Upp.
Yes, the most abundant one. But also the easiest one to self regulate (rain).
This thread is a waste of time tho. The only ones interested in hydrogen are people who don't mind wasting a few billion to make a few more. Oil people. The sauidi head choppers.
I'm signing off
Maybe using this fuel cell, you can keep using your phone in a whole week, with maximise performance and screen brightness all the way to top.
I dont know. I still need to charge my phone in a daily basis.
Good to see you're so positive about an advance in technology....Are you sure you're in the right place ?
Guys that fuel cell can't explode. There is so little vapor going through it really can't happen.
Efficiency is also not important for such small applicances. Wireless charging is also less efficient but it is convenient.
Charging for a weeks worth in 2 minutes is also quite convenient.
Hydrogen production is not dirty with electrolysis and the little bit you need for a phone you can make at home with a small charging station.
There is a lot of nonsense said by people dismissing this tech too easily.
Those cartridge would need to be rechargable at home but compressed they can probably fit quite a bit of hydrogen into a small space.
Hydrogen cars actually have quite a lot more range that battery powered cars because it is not that tough to store enough of the gas alongside the fuel cell in the car. And everybody knows the fuel cell is not the battery but the gas tank is also in the phone. The tank is not external otherwise the weeks worth supply would make no sense. A weeks worth is what fits inside the tank that is along with the fuel cell as big as the current Liion battery. They say it is currently being refueled through the headphone jack. You can refuel if there is no tank.
Seriously people think about it for a second.
Efficiency is also not important for such small applicances. Wireless charging is also less efficient but it is convenient.
Charging for a weeks worth in 2 minutes is also quite convenient.
Hydrogen production is not dirty with electrolysis and the little bit you need for a phone you can make at home with a small charging station.
There is a lot of nonsense said by people dismissing this tech too easily.
Those cartridge would need to be rechargable at home but compressed they can probably fit quite a bit of hydrogen into a small space.
Hydrogen cars actually have quite a lot more range that battery powered cars because it is not that tough to store enough of the gas alongside the fuel cell in the car. And everybody knows the fuel cell is not the battery but the gas tank is also in the phone. The tank is not external otherwise the weeks worth supply would make no sense. A weeks worth is what fits inside the tank that is along with the fuel cell as big as the current Liion battery. They say it is currently being refueled through the headphone jack. You can refuel if there is no tank.
Seriously people think about it for a second.
If they fit the small charging station into the phone and we can run it with wall socket electricity.. then i might.. oh wait.
It's simply, very simply enormously complicated and wasteful. While components are designed to reduce energy consumption, battery advances create bigger energy density, someone is obsessed with pumping liquid at any cost.
And the waste: at millions of devices, ANY waste matters. It's waste, not economical, stupid and of no use in the long run.
Why anyone would want to spend any amount of time refueling their cars at gasstations is beyond me. Just leave your house every day with a full range. The only use case is long commutes, at wich i don't think a 30 minute break every 500 km would be a problem that needs fixing by pumping billions into a new infrastructure.
That said: they should develop this: advance it, learn.. but not do something this stupid with it.
lithium ion batteries explode-not fuel cells
Good one
Yes that's the idea, just change disposable fuel cartridge and another week.
No the fuel cell runs on a fuel to make electricity, so the fuel cell can fit inside and the fuel cartridge can be replaced ongoing, another week of usage.
Yes, and with the fuel cell inside and disposable cartridge you get a week non stop, then change cartridge.
That's it and Bic are already working on it.
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