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Intel's 45nm Chip due in 2007

So if I spend $3k on the top Mac every year I should see a 25% speed increase in the average apps. Sounds like, progress. I would be more surprised if I heard chips were not going to get a little bit faster every year.
 
This time, at least if Intel suffers delays, ever one suffers delays, unlike Apple and its days with Moto and IBM. Level playing field.

Whilst 45nm processors sound interesting, these processors are a long way off. No one should really be waiting for these ( unless you've just recently upgraded )!!
 
Progress

The only progress this development cycle creates is bigger dividen checks from your apple stock and intel stock. Small jumps every 3 months sucks for loyal mac comsumers but is great for the war of PC market share. :D
 
kindrom said:
I would be surprised if laptops didn't have eight-core procs by then. Weren't they planning those for 2007 desktops already?
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Kind of pointless if your apps and OS aren't highly multi-threaded. 8 2Ghz cores running a single threaded application is as fast as a 2GHz single core CPU.

(Insert obligatory grumble ...if only Apple had bought BeOS... Way ahead of it's time)
 
Analog Kid said:
all other things equal... Apparently they did something clever to get around that trend. Or their 65nm process was really bad. Or they're lying.
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There are at least two main types of (parasitic) leakages:

1. Leakage through the gate (gate leakage)
2. Leakage through the channel between source and drain (channel leakage)

Gate leakage is more dominant, but it can be addressed in standard ways using oxides with a high dielectric (high k) property. The trouble is that the oxide layer must be very thin in order to improve the switching properties of the transistor. There is a direct relationship between oxide thickness and threshold voltage (or Vt, which drives the transistor), and an inverse relationship between oxide thickness and leakage. So you want to reduce oxide thickness while simultaneously keeping a check on leakage. This can be done with a high-k dielectric.

And it just so happens that about 2 years ago Intel made some breakthroughs in its research on high-k dielectrics.
 
Stella said:
This time, at least if Intel suffers delays, ever one suffers delays, unlike Apple and its days with Moto and IBM. Level playing field.
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The elephant in the corner is wearing an AMD t-shirt however.
 
aegisdesign said:
Kind of pointless if you're apps and OS aren't highly multi-threaded. 8 2Ghz cores running a single threaded application is as fast as a 2GHz single core CPU.

(Insert obligatory grumble ...if only Apple had bought BeOS... Way ahead of it's time)
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While it's true, you can run *a* single threaded application as fast as a single 2Ghz chip/core, you can also generally run another 7 single threaded applications and all 8 would take as long as the single single-threaded application. Real world it doesn't quite work out that way, but multiple cores/cpus are about total system throughput not single application run-time.
 
wrong

Analog Kid said:
I think you're forgetting that Intel promised then un-promised 4GHz and has been stuck in the low-mid 3's for over a year.
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If by "low-mid" you mean under 3.5, you're simply wrong - 3.6 has been available in Pentium and Xeon DP for a long time (over a year for Pentium, just under a year for Xeon). Pentium now tops out at 3.8.

Your point is basically valid, but your specific numbers are wrong - no way can "3.8" be "low-mid 3's"....
 
but...

arn said:
The whole overclocking talk is silly. If it comes from the manufacturer to run at that speed, it's not overclocked.
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But if the manufacturer has to resort to liquid-cooling, and the chips don't appear in the vendor's catalog at that speed - one certainly has to wonder about "overclocking"....
 
EricNau said:
Looks like the MacMini is about to get even smaller. :) :cool:
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MWSF 2008, Steve Jobs put an end to the MacMini and introduces the MacNano. ;) :)


This news is great, however people are wondering where will chip technology head from here. And the answer to that question is photon processors along with photo data links. Finally a developing technology back in 2001-2002 will see it into the consumer marketplace around 2010-2012. :D

Cannot be bothered to look for a link on photon processors or data links. :p
 
AidenShaw said:
If by "low-mid" you mean under 3.5, you're simply wrong - 3.6 has been available in Pentium and Xeon DP for a long time (over a year for Pentium, just under a year for Xeon). Pentium now tops out at 3.8.

Your point is basically valid, but your specific numbers are wrong - no way can "3.8" be "low-mid 3's"....
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However is that P III 3.8GHz over-clocked, since I remember someone over-clocking a 3.4GHz P III to over 4GHz. In that case the P III has unofficially surpassed the 4GHz limit. :)
 
~Shard~ said:
You'lll be fine - I'm doing it with my G4 iMac and have no concerns whatsoever. ;)
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To actually make decent speed and operational usage of the 2006 and up released applications you will require a minimal G5 by early 2007. If you last till early-mid 2008 you are most likely using your Mac for surfing, email and basic word processing. ;) :)
 
time to drop the iBook/MacBook dichotomy

kindrom said:
I would be surprised if laptops didn't have eight-core procs by then. Weren't they planning those for 2007 desktops already?
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And maybe by then Apple will expand their product line when Steve's replacement realizes that he has customers who say

I'll pay whatever you ask, just give me a portable workstation with 8 cores and loads of power. I don't care how thick, or how heavy, or how long the battery lasts!​

and other customers who say

I'll pay whatever you ask, just give me a lightweight, compact portable with 10 to 12 hours of battery life in real use. I don't care if it has one core or two, or a builtin optical drive!​

You'll be able to get A: and B: from the other Intel vendors....
 
AidenShaw said:
And maybe by then Apple will expand their product line when Steve's replacement realizes that he has customers who say

I'll pay whatever you ask, just give me a portable workstation with 8 cores and loads of power. I don't care how thick, or how heavy, or how long the battery lasts!​

and other customers who say

I'll pay whatever you ask, just give me a lightweight, compact portable with 10 to 12 hours of battery life in real use. I don't care if it has one core or two, or a builtin optical drive!​

You'll be able to get A: and B: from the other Intel vendors....
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Apple seems to be moving towards the "Thin & Built-In" route.

Optical Drive, iSight, ???

It also seems Apple is following into Sony's path. :)
 
AidenShaw said:
Unfortunately, that ignores the needs of both the people who want powerful, and the people who want small.
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When has Apple actually listened to it's customers in regards to products and services. ;)

Apple will do it in it's "fashionable late" style, as always. ;)
 
maya said:
To actually make decent speed and operational usage of the 2006 and up released applications you will require a minimal G5 by early 2007. If you last till early-mid 2008 you are most likely using your Mac for surfing, email and basic word processing. ;) :)
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Or just haven't upgraded the software and use G4 video/audio/whatever software
 
45nm?! That's just... amazing! Seriously, this technology is awesome to think about. 65nm is already great so 45nm is going to be crazy. Imagine a Mac mini with this thing. :cool:
 
aegisdesign said:
Kind of pointless if your apps and OS aren't highly multi-threaded. 8 2Ghz cores running a single threaded application is as fast as a 2GHz single core CPU.

(Insert obligatory grumble ...if only Apple had bought BeOS... Way ahead of it's time)
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Be was way ahead of its time. Has Palm done anything with it since buying it? I can never figure out why companies buy things like that and shelf them.

David:cool:
 
maya said:
MWSF 2008, Steve Jobs put an end to the MacMini and introduces the MacNano. ;) :)


This news is great, however people are wondering where will chip technology head from here. And the answer to that question is photon processors along with photo data links. Finally a developing technology back in 2001-2002 will see it into the consumer marketplace around 2010-2012. :D

Cannot be bothered to look for a link on photon processors or data links. :p
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A brief explanation on Photon processors:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-photon-processor.htm

Freescale get a mention in this article, which I found kind of interesting.

Jason
 
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