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Intel's Broadwell Chips for Most Macs Not Shipping Until Early to Mid 2015

DavidBlack said:
That would mean porting OS X to work on AMD. Just like how Apple did the transition from PowerPC to Intel. That is very unlikely.
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Not as hard as transition from PowerPC to Intel. There are some blogs about patching the kernel for AMD processors.
 
DavidBlack said:
That would mean porting OS X to work on AMD. Just like how Apple did the transition from PowerPC to Intel. That is very unlikely.
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I'm sure that's already happened internally at Apple. Didn't Steve Jobs mention at the keynote where they switched to Intel that they had Intel versions of OS X from 10.0?

Not saying that they will switch to AMD (would be a nightmare), but I don't think it would take a lot of effort on Apple's part.
 
Kobayagi said:
With all these iWatch and 6'' iPhone rumors, have people forgot about the Apple TV? I mean as a actual television from Apple.
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I think most everyone agrees that isn't going to happen. Margins, replacement cycles, etc on TVs mean it's just not a suitable line of business for Apple.

Hopefully they'll come with a new rMBA, very interested in that. I currently got a '11 model, but hope they can improve the screen on the next version. It looks dated next to the retina models.
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Me too. Maybe I'll just bite the bullet and pick up a 13" rMBP instead. Some good deals around on those.
 
At this pace, I am wondering if I am to see anything interesting come out of Intel in my lifetime... 1% spec bump in a year does not count as such.
 
Tubamajuba said:
It's nothing like the transition from PowerPC to Intel.

AMD processors are x86-64 just like Intel processors are. When it comes to optimization there would be some work to do, but nothing in the ballpark of the PPC-Intel transition.
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Oh, thanks for correcting me 🙂
 
Broadwell processors

Just bought a refurbished Macbook Pro (retina) which, because it had been BTO, would have cost me over £2.5K brand new. Aside from two very small dents on the underside, the thing appears brand new.

I begrudge paying silly money for something I will probably keep for only a few years before upgrading again.I suggest people interested in upgrading their Macs do the same.
 
Very disappointing as I have been holding out on buying an MBA for the refresh. Is it even worth it if Skylake could just be accelerated instead?

Apple will have trouble maintaining their price points for another year with only subtle bumps to CPU specs.

Maybe they will just go with a Retina MBA release on Haswell. But if they have been designing around fanless Broadwell designs, they will be in trouble.
 
'Skylake' — what a lovely name — sounds refreshing, delicious, beautiful.
What is expected from Skylake in relation to performance and graphics?
 
straighttech said:
I'm wondering more and more whether Apple will migrate away from Intel and move to in-house A-series CPUs some day in the future.

Apple's custom silicon isn't at a point where it can power a Mac, but based on the pace at which Apple is developing its own CPUs, you have to wonder how far off that day really is.
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This is my feeling and the way to go.

Intel is getting LAZY again, just like they did before AMD launched the K6

The ARM possibilities are enough for a lot of basic users now, we don't all need masses of computing power.

I'm sure an A10 powered Macbook Air could be good enough for the entry level.
 
DavidBlack said:
No I didn't mean any sarcasm what so ever. I am just a little misinformed about AMD. 🙂
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Okay, no worries. 🙂 There was a time when AMD wiped the flaw with Intel, back in the old P4 netburst days. Shame about what happened to them.
 
akatsuki said:
Very disappointing as I have been holding out on buying an MBA for the refresh. Is it even worth it if Skylake could just be accelerated instead?

Apple will have trouble maintaining their price points for another year with only subtle bumps to CPU specs.

Maybe they will just go with a Retina MBA release on Haswell. But if they have been designing around fanless Broadwell designs, they will be in trouble.
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People thought the same when Haswell was released, is it worth it when Broadwell is right around the corner? And 8 months later, there is clear signs Broadwell is another 6-10 months away.

It is possible there will still be a rMBP redesign with uped haswell chips?
 
straighttech said:
When you consider the pace at which Intel releases new CPUs these days, I'm wondering more and more whether Apple will migrate away from Intel and move to in-house A-series CPUs some day in the future.

Apple's custom silicon isn't at a point where it can power a Mac, but based on the pace at which Apple is developing its own CPUs, you have to wonder how far off that day really is.

Apple's closed ecosystem has become so large that its taking on the characteristics of a traditionally open one:

http://halifaxbloggers.ca/straighttech/2014/06/a-rainforest-posing-as-a-walled-garden/
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Many will bemoan that Apple would never abandon x86 because of it's Windows compatibility (well, people that install Parallels on their machines say this) But you're right, the iOS ecosystem vastly outstrips the number of Macs sold and I would wager that to many people, having a Mac with OSX that could run iOS apps is much more appealing than having a Mac that could run Windows.
 
OzyOly said:
Okay, no worries. 🙂 There was a time when AMD wiped the flaw with Intel, back in the old P4 netburst days. Shame about what happened to them.
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And there was also a time when PowerPC processors ran faster and cooler than Intel. I remember when Apple used to compare the performance of Intel's (Pentium I believe) with the PowerPC processors.
 
sonofmof said:
This is my feeling and the way to go.

Intel is getting LAZY again, just like they did before AMD launched the K6

The ARM possibilities are enough for a lot of basic users now, we don't all need masses of computing power.

I'm sure an A10 powered Macbook Air could be good enough for the entry level.
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So you want pay for Sam amount of money but with much lower performance? That seems huge step backward to me... And then you stuck with same position with Microsoft did for their Windows RT, you get no apps. Maybe you will able to run all iOS apps, but you are limited with one app at a time? That is. It a desktop OS should do.

ARM is fine for most things, but not fine for a laptop.
 
I don't mind so much about the Broadwell chips to be honest. If Apple updates the Retina MBP later this year and simply adds a true 4K display and an 850m or 860m GPU but keeps using the same Haswell CPU that would be fine by me.

I cannot see Apple delaying a Retina MacBook Pro refresh until Feb-June next year. That would just be crazy. They are already over their average refresh cycle with this system as of this date and now we are projecting another 6-9 months on to that?

I think we'll see another update before Broadwell.
 
30% faster than Haswell? At least Broadwell will be worth the wait. And it's not like Haswell is suddenly junk.

But this won't help sales. No one in the PC industry is going to be very happy with Intel.
 
Sad Face.

Looks like I will be keeping my 15" Macbook Pro for the time being.

Do we think Apple would have the chips a little earlier? Update across the whole Retina Macbook Pro line by Jan/Feb 2015?
 
sonofmof said:
This is my feeling and the way to go.

Intel is getting LAZY again, just like they did before AMD launched the K6

The ARM possibilities are enough for a lot of basic users now, we don't all need masses of computing power.

I'm sure an A10 powered Macbook Air could be good enough for the entry level.
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You do realize that Intel makes good and bad decisions like every other company , right? Do you understand the reasons why AMD was able to catch up to Intel during the early P4 days, or are you just spouting off to spout off?

Quite honestly, I think we are at a stage where we will see much more in the way of performance gains by developers paying more attention to optimization of code. For far too long sloppy code was covered up by ample computing power.

ValSalva said:
30% faster than Haswell? At least Broadwell will be worth the wait. And it's not like Haswell is suddenly junk.

But this won't help sales. No one in the PC industry is going to be very happy with Intel.
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The general public has no clue about anything with computing. AMD has no competing products in the performance category, so where is the "PC industry" going to go? They can be angry all "they" want, it isn't going to change anything. Advancement in technology takes time, the general masses have just become spoiled.
 
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