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Intel's Napa Platform with Yonah
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LOL glad to see I'm not the only one who refers to the Celeron processor line as celery. I think that one of the reasons that people assume Intel processors are cheap is because that there is such an abundence of them. This is a common misconception, as you said. Any top of the line processor will be $$$ expensive. I hope the dual core Yonahs will match all of the hype and then some.gnasher729 said:
I know you're joking, but quad core is a definate possibility for the future.crazydreaming said:So does this mean that when deciding between an apple or a windows laptop, the Mac will finally outperform the windows laptop? Instead of just buying mac for form factor and OS X, they might actually perform better?
...I'm still happy with my Powerbook... but that might change soon
To all those that are saying Apple will introduce Intel iBooks first, well that will mean the ibooks will be faster than the G4 PowerBooks (when using native Intel apps vs native PPC in the PowerBook). So I think the PowerBooks are going to have to be first.
Also we are not going to see dual-core cpus in the iBooks, it will be single core only. Apple needs something to differentiate between them.
Lastly, when Apple said they would switch the professional line last, they were talking about the PowerMac G5, which is plenty of power at the moment.
Also we are not going to see dual-core cpus in the iBooks, it will be single core only. Apple needs something to differentiate between them.
Lastly, when Apple said they would switch the professional line last, they were talking about the PowerMac G5, which is plenty of power at the moment.
Yes, the Powerbook G5. a.k.a. "The Space Heater"Bengt77 said:
Couldn't have said it better myself. The line between iBook and Powerbook has gotten very blurred in the recent months, about all that seperates them at the moment is the brushed aluminum casing. I think that single cores go to the ibook, and of course the dual cores to the Powerbook. That said, I think that all G4s will be gone in January. the mini, ibook, and powerbook all receive intel in January.hvfsl said:
On a side note, what does Apple plan on calling the Yonah line? G6 makes no sense since it's not from that PPC line. Does intel get to name it?
I'll give you a dollar for it. If you upgrade it to 10.4.3Yvan256 said:Talking of which... the PowerBook in my sig. is now for sale.
FoxyKaye said:
No, the intel processors are going to cost more-- a lot more.
"The PowerPC G4 in that machine has a typical volume price of around $72, or about 10% of the selling price for the machine. In comparison people like Asus, Quanta and Hon Hai Precision (who make Dell, HP, and IBM gear) pay Intel on the order of $240 per unit for the two year old, 32bit, 1.8Ghz Pentium M predecessor to the "Yonah" line"
$72 < $240 (and thats the price for a 2 year old Pentium M)
Source for the above quote
Looks like I ´ll be in a position to update some hardware this winter, so this is exciting. A real POWER book could get me to buy another laptop instead of an iMac, as portability is key to me.
It will be xmas twice this winter
It will be xmas twice this winter
Come on Dual Core Yonah PowerBook. Man, I'm excited. I'm sure that Apple's first Intel-based PowerBooks will be sweet.
But Apple already has pretty high (it seems) margins, so we hopefully shouldn't a dramatic increase in computer prices. Hopefully, Apple will absorb some of the cost and we will pay a little more (maybe $100/150).rosalindavenue said:
Since when is $74 dollars 10% of $2,000??? Apples margines on the G4 notebooks are outrageous. They're going to have to take a hit on those astronomical margines. They'll still turn a profit, just not as dramatic. They'll make up for this by selling boatloads of these babies.rosalindavenue said:
You're not kiddin'. Just the system bus speed is getting me excited. Powerbook G4 = 167MHz... Intel Powerbook = 667MHz. Oh man it's going to be sweet!!jdechko said:
GFLPraxis said:
TS's record has't exactly been great since MWSF '05....I wouldn't take what they have to say as fact at this point.
GFLPraxis said:68% faster, 28% lower power consumption, lower price, dual core, HD screens (remember, ThinkSecret claims 1280x720 WXGA screens- that's 720p, which is HD), and the ability to boot Windows and/or run Windows apps through WINE?
Sign me up!
However, I bet someone, somewhere is going to find some way to rate this negative. They always do.
sign me up too
Bengt77 said:
Please, don't be that guy...
I can't wait to see how Apple implements this technology, and what their strategy will be in terms of evolution and timing. iBooks right away? Or PowerBooks? What will happen at WWDC? When will the PowerBooks go Merom? So many exciting questions and possibilities.
aaronsullivan said:
Steve Jobs did not say that consumer computers would go first. That was an early guess by analysts based on the time-table for the conversion of pro apps and the performance of Rosetta at the time.
The desktop G5s still seem like they will stay around for a while--the performance gap between a G4 @ 1.5 GHz and a quad G5 @ 2.5 GHz is still too big to get across with the Yonahs. It at least appears that the PowerMacs have the power to outclass Intel processors right now (especially since Intel's consumer processors haven't been able to be in multiprocessor computers yet--their Xeons can but Pentiums can't).
The computers using G4 processors are a different matter. With them, the Yonahs might provide a sizeable performance boost. Given the similar speeds for processors between the PowerBooks and iBooks, I see either both going over to Intel at the same time (iBook single-core and Powerbook dual-core) or the Powerbook going first. Even in emulation, it seems that the Yonah will outperform current G4s.
I think the Mac Mini will switch over early, too; perhaps this early switch is the reason that it has not been officially upgraded though Apple continues to configure the Mac Minis with different processors.
Well, for starters, the Register ran this weeks ago: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/17/apple_intel_ibook/gnasher729 said:
There was also something on ThinkSecret, but I can't find it right now.
And, I'm willing to bet that a low-end Intel iBook is still going to be faster than the current generation of G4s.
[Edit]: The Register and ThinkSecret reports are the same. Not that they're reliable, but I'm also going to speculate that it makes sense - Apple's stuff costs more, they have to lower prices to compete.
Hmmm Now all I need to do is create a script to reload the store.apple.com once every 10 seconds and automate the purchase of a dual core 15" PowerBook.
If 15" PowerBook bling on http://store.apple.com/ then click buy else reload page.
If 15" PowerBook bling on http://store.apple.com/ then click buy else reload page.
hvfsl said:
I agree, it would make the most sense to have iBooks single-core and PowerBooks dual-core. (assuming both lines will still be called iBooks and PowerBooks after they go Intel)
Bingo. The gains from Yonah dual core could be so dramatic that it's worth switching over now. This decision should depend heavily on how well Rosetta on a dual core Yonah Powerbook compares to a G4 PPC Powerbook. If the difference is negligable, then there is no reason not to immeadiately switch the Powerbook line to x86.otter-boy said: