Intel's New Image and Apple's Role

[Peace]

I do not beleive Apple engineering is in Oregon, and Intel has be in an out of the PCB and System business so many times it will make you head spin. Intel has only does these kinds of things to help promote the selling of chips where they make the real money. Trust me I have seen Intel designs and had to deal with their lack of attention to details and thermal management. Plus I am very familiar with Apple's design methods and qualification and Intel may try but in the end they will ship the product no mater what.

I wasn't saying Apple engineering was located in Oregon.I was saying Intel Oregon and Apple are working together at the Intel think tank there🙂

 

[Maestro64]

The "Intel Inside" or "Intel whatever" or "Intel" sticker on the new Mactels is GREAT news because it will bring:

- Cheaper Macs.
- Halo effect: millions of new switchers
- Larger Mac OS X and Mactel market share

Grow up! --A sticker will not harm your Mac!

I hope for more sales!!! Since that will help all the stock I own.

But I do not believe Apple or Jobs will ever allow the Intel logo to grace the outside of the computer. If you look at every single apple computer it is completely void of goddie logos. they have the Apple logo and the name of the product and what makes an Apple is not the fact of the processor inside, look how many processor Apple has gone through over the yrs, 68K, 020, 030, 040, PPC 601, 602, 603, G3, G4, G5, and for the most part Apple never really advertised on the computer what was inside.

If the logo shows up I would be very surprised and all you can say is Jobs sold out his principles. Oh, you bet Intel would like that logo on there and you can bet it was part of the negotiations, but Apple does not need Intel's advertising dollars they already spends $100's millions on advertising aready.

 

[Porchland]

The "Intel Inside" or "Intel whatever" or "Intel" sticker on the new Mactels is GREAT news because it will bring:

- Cheaper Macs.
- Halo effect: millions of new switchers
- Larger Mac OS X and Mactel market share

Grow up! --A sticker will not harm your Mac!

The BBC article doesn't say anything about Apple slapping Intel stickers on its products. Do you have any news reports to the contrary?

 

[freeny]

It seems Intel has gotten all excited now that the "cool kid" wants to play with him and are taking the opportunity to get a makover.

 

[Platform]

Grow up! --A sticker will not harm your Mac!

You wanna bet ??? 😡 😛

 

[Maestro64]

I wasn't saying Apple engineering was located in Oregon.I was saying Intel Oregon and Apple are working together at the Intel think tank there🙂

I would not call Intel Oregon a think tank, they might like to believe it but it is a manufacturing design center.

I was contacted by them right before the Apple/Intel announcement last summer to come on board to help with their design qualification efforts, at first it did not make sense to me since they could probably find many PC people with the necessary experience. After the announcement it made sense since I worked for Apple at one time and I am very familiar with their design and qualification requires.

I was also contacted by their chip systems integration group too at about the same time. Kind of odd that two Intel groups contacted me and seemed to be very interested in my previous apple experience. They obviously were trying to gear up for the pending announcement.

 

[Seasought]

I think the price of admission (to Macintosh) is higher than the run-of-the-mill Windows-based PCs. As far as I am concerned, I am very comfortable with the current pricing of Apple products. Especially the current 12" iBook is very competitively priced

That comfort only comes from being a Mac user, I've found. From an outsider's perspective the prices seem dramatically over-priced and I think some of the Mac criticism stems from this. Now, if the critics had the opportunity to sit down and use a Mac for a month I'm sure their tone would change.

 

[Maestro64]

That comfort only comes from being a Mac user, I've found. From an outsider's perspective the prices seem dramatically over-priced and I think some of the Mac criticism stems from this. Now, if the critics had the opportunity to sit down and use a Mac for a month I'm sure their tone would change.

Those same critics who say it cost too much are the same people who buy Yogo's and Kia's. And complain that a BMW, Ferrara, Porsche and Mercedes are too expensive.

I found that most people are willing to pay less for less quality and replace it more offen than to spend more and possible never have to replace it. Most people only think about the money out of their pocket today not what it will cost them over the long term.

 

[DakotaGuy]

But I do not believe Apple or Jobs will ever allow the Intel logo to grace the outside of the computer. If you look at every single apple computer it is completely void of goddie logos. they have the Apple logo and the name of the product and what makes an Apple is not the fact of the processor inside, look how many processor Apple has gone through over the yrs, 68K, 020, 030, 040, PPC 601, 602, 603, G3, G4, G5, and for the most part Apple never really advertised on the computer

It seems to me that the PowerPC logo appeared on Apple computers for several years after the switch from 68K processors. I think the last Macs to have a PowerPC logo were the beige G3's.

 

[Seasought]

I found that most people are willing to pay less for less quality and replace it more offen than to spend more and possible never have to replace it. Most people only think about the money out of their pocket today not what it will cost them over the long term.

You're exactly right. I know a number of people that do exactly this and don't realize that they are spending more replacing cheaper items. You get what you pay for but so many people tend to fall into the mindset that they're beating the system or getting some sort of "sweet deal" even though they have to repeat that "sweet deal" twice as many times due to the product failing on them.

I'm digressing a bit here...oops.

 

[Maestro64]

It seems to me that the PowerPC logo appeared on Apple computers for several years after the switch from 68K processors. I think the last Macs to have a PowerPC logo were the beige G3's.

Yeap your right and who was in charge during those years... That was Apple's feeble attempt at out marketing the Intel and the Pentium marketing machine.

 

[Randall]

Is this going to be a new age where Apple and PC users get along? Because at least they will be able to agree on one thing, the new intel processors are going to be very nice, and common among all computer users. It will be interresting to see if Mr. Jobs will try to spin the new intel hardware as superior to PCs, because actually the PCs will get the same chip. 😛

 

[Seasought]

Is this going to be a new age where Apple and PC users get along? Because at least they will be able to agree on one thing, the new intel processors are going to be very nice, and common among all computer users. It will be interresting to see if Mr. Jobs will try to spin the new intel hardware as superior to PCs, because actually the PCs will get the same chip. 😛

Perhaps it's a tactic to gain allies in the great crusade against Microsoft.

Or maybe it's just good business. 😀

 

[Peace]

Perhaps it's a tactic to gain allies in the great crusade against Microsoft.

Or maybe it's just good business. 😀

Perhaps Apple will have a different type of chipset enabling Jobs to say Apple has the best PC.

 

[maya]

Sounds to me like Otellini and Jobs are making smart moves.

I'd buy APPL and dump MSFT...

I would buy both.

Remember Microsoft still hold the corporate server market. 😉

It will take a while for Apple to make headway in that market. 🙁

"Cheaper" I hope is not referring to it's Quality Control on Apple and Intel part. 😉

 

[Maestro64]

Perhaps it's a tactic to gain allies in the great crusade against Microsoft.

Or maybe it's just good business. 😀

This could very well be the case, I am not sure if the writing is on the wall, but M$ could be on the way down. They have not had any big successes lately and many people are moving in on them. This could be a hedge your bets for Intel.

 

[maya]

Perhaps Apple will have a different type of chipset enabling Jobs to say Apple has the best PC.

A while back Apple was thinking of changing the startup chime on its computers. Maybe they will use a Intel and Apple mixed chime. 😱

 

[Randall]

Perhaps Apple will have a different type of chipset enabling Jobs to say Apple has the best PC.

Any hardware differences besides the CPU would be a stretch to claim superiority. After all the CPU is the most important part of the hardware. I think Apple and Mr. Jobs should spin their software as being superior, since it is. And that along with the sexy look and quality control can be where they have the edge over PCs.

 

[maya]

This could very well be the case, I am not sure if the writing is on the wall, but M$ could be on the way down. They have not had any big successes lately and many people are moving in on them. This could be a hedge your bets for Intel.

You mean "MOMS" was not a success. 😱 😉 😀

 

[Randall]

I while back Apple was thinking of changing the startup chime on its computers. Maybe they will use a Intel and Apple mixed chime. 😱

Oh no. not that da-di-da-do stupid intel chime that they use in all of the commercials. Any startup noise besides that please. 🙄

 

[Randall]

This could very well be the case, I am not sure if the writing is on the wall, but M$ could be on the way down. They have not had any big successes lately and many people are moving in on them. This could be a hedge your bets for Intel.

Oh no question that intel's future is locked in at this point. Let's just hope for the continued succeess of AMD so that there is a natural driving force motivating intel to innovate.

 

[Peace]

Any hardware differences besides the CPU would be a stretch to claim superiority. After all the CPU is the most important part of the hardware. I think Apple and Mr. Jobs should spin their software as being superior, since it is. And that along with the sexy look and quality control can be where they have the edge over PCs.

True..True..But I was referring to 802.11n and firewirewireless..😉

 

[pherplexed]

what makes an Apple is not the fact of the processor inside, look how many processor Apple has gone through over the yrs, 68K, 020, 030, 040, PPC 601, 602, 603, G3, G4, G5, and for the most part Apple never really advertised on the computer

Om...for the past like 5 years or so, Apple computers have gotten their name from what hardware is inside. Remember? powermac G3, powermac G4, powermac G5. So i think it's safe to say that yes..Apple DOES advertise what's inside...very heavily.

 

[kirk26]

I wish Mr. Otellini would say "At Intel, we are happy to showcase our products with a real OS" rather than mentioned something about lower-power products. It sounds like lower-power means Powerless Mac to the newbie or hardcore PowerPC fanboy. I know they can't say anything bad about Microsoft because they are major customer.

I agree with the post earlier. Apple stock will most likely go up with the increase publicity. I predict a stock split by Feb 2006.

Funny, I thought you said lower-power products you meant Linsux.

 

[Randall]

True..True..But I was referring to 802.11n and firewirewireless..😉

Yeah that's a good point. FireWireless is a very interresting concept, seeing as how (at least in my experience) that the majority of FW400 hardware is 6-pin (external Hard Drives etc.) and as such, they utilize the built in power in pins 5 and 6. That said, we all know that there is no such thing as wireless power, so these devices would have to have an alternate power source in order to utilize FireWire wireless or whatever it's called. Only the 4-pin FW400 stuff will be able to use this new technology.