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Regardless of the Inquirer's bias against Apple (which seems to have changed slightly in the last few months) they tend to have a very good handle on Intel and AMD roadmaps, often getting the dirt on chips and chip problems months before specs are made official.
 
Apple does NOT need a mini-tower as everyone keeps clamoring for.

All they really need to do is offer a couple Mac Pros with a single Quad Core Xeon chip with a price starting at $1499.

This is how Apple always used to handle the Power Mac G3's, G4's and G5's, why not go back to a system that worked and no one was screaming for a model between the iMac and the PowerMac.

Here is an example of what could make sense with the next Mac Pro revision:
- Single Quad Core 2.8GHz XEON $1499
- Single Quad Core 3.0GHz XEON $1999
- Double Quad Core 2.8GHz XEON $2499
- Double Quad Core 3.0GHz XEON $2799
- Double Quad Core 3.2GHz XEON $3299
- Double Quad Core 3.4GHz XEON $3699

For this to work out, Apple would also have to offer either a $999 or $1099 iMac.

For me personally at home I would pick up the lowest end Quad Core Mac Pro, while at work I would put in for the mid-high range Octo Core Mac Pro.

I understand you might just mean adding more choices, but don't they already offer the Mac Pro with only 1 Xeon (expandable to two of course) ?
 
This is for the iMac.
In Feb or March a newer version will go into the MBP.

Those waiting for a better bump for the iMac, rejoice!!!!
 
I understand you might just mean adding more choices, but don't they already offer the Mac Pro with only 1 Xeon (expandable to two of course) ?

Yes I do know that and yes they do offer a single Quad Core chip as a "down grade"......

My point is to offer more than just a single option at the low end. Offer something hat is still affordable yet expandable like a lot of people want.

I know I for one just can't seem to let go of having a Mac tower. I need to have access to the inside so that I can upgrade the HD, RAM, Optical Drives, Video Cards, etc... whenever I want and add any PCI cards if the need arises. I also like being able to hook up any monitor or any number of monitors to my system. If I want 2 screens in extended, fine.... If I want to go all out and have 4, well that's my choice too.
 
If Apple changes the MacBook Pro's enclosure, it could be to support this chip with the Mobile 45 Express chipset. The MacBook could very well also get the Mobile 45 Express chipset in order to gain the X4500 GPU, plus the faster FSB and memory speeds would be beneficial.

If the Intel Mobile 965 Express chipset can (be made to) support the QX9300, then it could launch on the current (refreshed) iMac. If it needs the Mobile 45 Express chipset, however, then it might or might not make it, depending on how soon Apple intends to transition the iMac to Nehalem.
 
I wonder if the new shiny Quad Core processor would fit in my existing iMac...?
The 2.4GHz Core2 Duo I've got in it today is sitting in a socket just waiting to be replaced by something faster as soon as I can get my hands on it... :D
 
Core 2 Extreme also too power hungry / hot right now

Apple doesn't even use the current extreme edition 2.8GHz Penryn in the MBP.

But this is likely because the 2.8GHz Core 2 Extreme also has a 44W TDP as opposed to the 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo's 35W.
 
I'd wet myself over a quad-core in a MacBook.

4 x 2.5GHZ equals 10GHZ of processing power in a budget laptop. Never thought I'd see the day.
 
We always knew that quad cores were coming for the MBP's in the next year (at the outside).

I'm waiting for a quad core and solid state memory in the middle mbp before i upgrade. When that tuesday comes, my cash will be out...
 
Well its nice that we know that quad core is coming to notebooks but I'll wait for a couple of years more until it has a lower voltage usage. Even now I managed to get around 4-5 hours on my MBP by taking care and turning off unnecessary stuffs. I cant imagine how hard it is to achieve 5 hours on a MBP if it has quad core.

Its either battery life improve as in become more efficient and last longer so it can accommodate more power or the quad core processor power usage is reduced.

I give it 3 years until they managed to get the power voltage reduced.

Oh yeah and I guess the MBP will be called MacBurnerPro if they use QuadCore cause DualCore is hot enough.:cool:
 
I'd wet myself over a quad-core in a MacBook.

4 x 2.5GHZ equals 10GHZ of processing power in a budget laptop. Never thought I'd see the day.

Doesn't quite work that way. Its probably more like 7 or 8 and that's only in applications that accept 4-core multi processing. In most cases the 2.8 and 3.0ghz models are going to be faster than the quad core.
 
four cores and seven years ago I purchased my first apple product. would love to see quad in a laptop as that is what I want to upgrade to....
 
Here is an example of what could make sense with the next Mac Pro revision:
- Single Quad Core 2.8GHz XEON $1499 (won't happen)
- Single Quad Core 3.0GHz XEON $1999 (won't happen)
- Double Quad Core 2.8GHz XEON $2499 (will start here)
- Double Quad Core 3.0GHz XEON $2799
- Double Quad Core 3.2GHz XEON $3299
- Double Quad Core 3.4GHz XEON $3699

I would love to see these models, but since when did Apple offer a tower that was below $1999 that was Intel based? We are still waiting for that, and there won't be a need for Apple to do it if the Mac Pro, iMac, and mini (to some extent) are selling rather well. Here's to wishing though.

As for the quad core offerings, we will just have to wait and see. I am keeping my eyes peeled over in the Dell/Alienware, HP, etc etc camps. I am sure that they will start offering their quad core laptops before Apple.

And for the record, it's mini tower or cheaper Mac Pro. Either way we are clamoring for it. In essence we are asking for a cheaper upgradeable tower. I would love to have 8 3.2GHz cores but I know that I can save $1000 or more and get 4 2.8GHz cores. Others may want less than that, but still need the expandability.
 
If the product name has "pro" in it, then I expect it to contain bleeding edge electronics. I can't wait for a quad core macbook pro to come out.
 
Apple does NOT need a mini-tower as everyone keeps clamoring for.

All they really need to do is offer a couple Mac Pros with a single Quad Core Xeon chip with a price starting at $1499.

This is how Apple always used to handle the Power Mac G3's, G4's and G5's, why not go back to a system that worked and no one was screaming for a model between the iMac and the PowerMac.

Here is an example of what could make sense with the next Mac Pro revision:
- Single Quad Core 2.8GHz XEON $1499
- Single Quad Core 3.0GHz XEON $1999
- Double Quad Core 2.8GHz XEON $2499
- Double Quad Core 3.0GHz XEON $2799
- Double Quad Core 3.2GHz XEON $3299
- Double Quad Core 3.4GHz XEON $3699

I agree, but its going to going to happen at those prices with xeons. The FB-DIMMs and the 5400 chipset are too expensive. Its doable with the x48 and the equivalent core 2 quads though.

I understand you might just mean adding more choices, but don't they already offer the Mac Pro with only 1 Xeon (expandable to two of course) ?

At $2300. That's close to a grand higher than the traditional entry level PowerMac price.
 
I don't want Quad Core on my lap.
What I want is really a laptop - something I can comfortably place on my lap....

And I'm yet to see any real reason to have a Quad core, when all your mobile needs are more than satisfied with Dual core.
Two cores was a real breakthrough, with four we don't get enough of advantage if any. that is in a real world "performance apps".

Yeah I can see that someone might "feel" the "need" to use Octo cores, ok then, go with Mac Pro.

What I want [in a laptop ... with mobile CPU] is more battery life, less heat, less bulk, girth & weight.
What I want is 14-15" MBA Pro. With 2.5Ghz & 9400mGT. And with 25W full speed CPU weeks away, this is much more feasible.
Which goes well with glossy thininnovation they are into recently.

So I hope Apple ignores dreamers & pseudo-professionals, and passes on "mobile" Quad Core for now, which even if in the same 35W TDP as previous Merom/SantaRosa, still much hotter in real life, and that will stand in a way of long due redesign of old MBP cases.

The only chance I see for a "Mobile" Quad, is if Apple decides on fourth family of books, along the lines of not really successful DTRs, which survived only as extreme gaming rigs for "gamers on the run".
 
Ok, I'm not saying that Quad Core is useless at all.
What I'm saying that wanting Quad in a portable, is just like wishing for V20 Dodge Ram, as if V10 is too underpowered for you, when 99% you use it for is - commuting in traffic.

That being said, I feel there could be two, distinct categories of Pro users of Pro machines (portables) :
1) those who constantly need max cycles (Pro Video encoding, PS maybe, what else ?)
2) those who need CPU/GPU cycles only to [comfortably] power their UI : browsing, coding, occasional gaming & video/picture manipulation.
for them (Me) much more balanced approach, with all amenities going with Pro machine is appreciated.

Because it's not just speed I'm after, but rather whole UI, both : Computing & Physical, that I digg in Apple hardware.
 
I think it is kind of silly arguing what people need or don't need for a notebook computer. I replaced my PowerMac G4 and iBook with a 15" Santa Rosa Macbook Pro. At my next job I won't have a formal office, just some bench space in a lab, so I don't want to deal taking up valuable bench space with a computer or the inconvenience of having to transport files back and forth between the two machines. I do a lot of scientific computing, so I for one would be quite happy with a quad core MBP. I realize it's not going to speed up any of my individual calculations unless the program I'm using is specifically designed to use multiple cores, but I can still get more work done at a time by being able to do multiple analyses at concurrently instead of consecutively. And some scientific applications are starting to support multiple cores natively, for example Mathematica. And since the trend seems to be toward adding more cores as a method of improving a computers speed, it would seem that software developers are going to have to start designing their programs to be inherently multicore capable.

Quad Core MBP? Bring it on baby.
 
throttle the cores

for me it would be an interesting technical solution if you could choose to use 1-4 cores. Using four cores on your office and only one or two cores when preserving power.
 
I don't want Quad Core on my lap.
What I want is really a laptop - something I can comfortably place on my lap....

And I'm yet to see any real reason to have a Quad core, when all your mobile needs are more than satisfied with Dual core.
Two cores was a real breakthrough, with four we don't get enough of advantage if any. that is in a real world "performance apps".

Right. And why would anyone want more than 640K RAM in their computer? DOS 5 can't make proper use of Extended Memory anyhow.

The tools I am using on my new MacBook Pro (mostly Visual Studio 2005 on VMWare-virtualized XP Pro) do not make effective use of multi-core - in VS2005, you can only compile separate projects simultaneously, but I mostly work with one C++ project that contains many source files that will be compiled one after another. So a dual core with high single-threaded performance is optimal for my purposes. One core compiles while the other core keeps my UI running smoothly. Also, VMWare Fusion currently only supports two processors per virtual machine. I am in fact very satisfied with the processor performance of the MacBook Pro. It's simply blazingly fast.

BUT many people do work with applications that can already make use of 4 cores (Motion, Photoshop, Final Cut etc. etc.). And more recent rsp. future versions of the tools I am using will support quad core better - Visual Studio 2008 supposedly can make use of multi-core, and VMWare ESX can handle up to 4 virtual CPUs per VM, so I suppose it's only a matter of time until Fusion will handle that as well.

What I want [in a laptop ... with mobile CPU] is more battery life, less heat, less bulk, girth & weight.

On the 2.6GHz Penryn and LED MacBook Pro, I get 3.5 to 4 hours of battery life writing and compiling actual code using virtualized Visual Studio. I get 5+ hours surfing the web wirelessly, 4.5 hours if I also listen to music over the speakers. If that isn't amazing, I don't know what is. Of course there are ultra-portables with longer battery life, but they don't have anywhere near the performance of the MBP when I actually need it. Apple does a great job combining a powerful desktop replacement and a mobile computer in a single device. I bet they would be able to do that with four cores as well, especially if you consider that the current Intel quad-cores consist of two dual-core dies in a single package. If the OS determines that two cores have been mostly idle for some time, it could flush the shared cache and then switch off the entire die. Of course, you will not get 5 or more hours of battery life rendering movies, but your battery life will not be significantly harmed as long as you don't use the machine's full power. In terms of power consumption, you will only pay for what you use.

What I want is 14-15" MBA Pro. With 2.5Ghz & 9400mGT. And with 25W full speed CPU weeks away, this is much more feasible.

The first update to the MBA will very likely include Penryns, and they will likely be higher clocked than the current Meroms (not necessarily @2.5GHz though), so you might be lucky. Dedicated graphics hardware however is much less likely. A faster Intel chip, on the other hand - the upcoming X4500 - is not too unlikely though.

So I hope Apple ignores dreamers & pseudo-professionals, and passes on "mobile" Quad Core for now,

Right, everyone who doesn't do things your way, or sees the world your way, is a dreamer and pseudo-professional. Thank God we aren't arrogant, are we?

The only chance I see for a "Mobile" Quad, is if Apple decides on fourth family of books, along the lines of not really successful DTRs, which survived only as extreme gaming rigs for "gamers on the run".

You have seriously no clue about mobile power-saving technologies. The 35W TDP does not mean that a 45nm Quad will be as hot as a 65nm Duo most of the time. On the contrary, as for the 45nm Duos, the idle power consumption will likely be much less. The power consumption surfing the web will be much less. Only under full load will it be as hot as the Merom, but it will also be way more powerful. The gist is that a 45nm Quad will still use a lot less energy to perform the same amount of work. This is the point that you have been missing all along.
 
I can see that having a laptop can be easy for some, but on the other hand, the mac pro is designed to do serious calculation, without big heat problems, where the MBPs are designed to do as good as possible both jobs. And as usual ending up as a bit heavy, a bit faster and for me being very usefull.
But as Apple is still a commercial company, they will tend to look at the largest group of users there is for a specific sollution. And the complaining about warm laps isn't little with the curent power comsumption, so there is a chanxe they will try to run it a bit cooler. If that is with a quad core or a dual core, I would know, but my bet is that they will try to improve the cooling as well the performance as well the battery life of the next MBP.
The history of MBP updates show that every update is one of a combination of little steps forward. If you come from a core duo, tue latest MBP with leds and all is a big improvement, but from the previous to the latest is always a modest update, and for 98% of thr users not worth the money to go out and buy the latest one.
Just my 0.02


P.s. For give me the typos, being a foreigner on an iphone doesnt make things easier :D
 
Here is an example of what could make sense with the next Mac Pro revision:
- Single Quad Core 2.8GHz XEON $1499
- Single Quad Core 3.0GHz XEON $1999
- Double Quad Core 2.8GHz XEON $2499
- Double Quad Core 3.0GHz XEON $2799
- Double Quad Core 3.2GHz XEON $3299
- Double Quad Core 3.4GHz XEON $3699

For this to work out, Apple would also have to offer either a $999 or $1099 iMac.

The next Mac Pro revision is probably going to see Intel's Dunnington chips (3x dual-core Penryn dies), giving the possibility for 12-cores (or maybe even 24 cores?).

With the Mac Pro sitting pretty with 12-cores, it leaves plenty of room for the iMac (and not forgetting the MBP) to get quad-core configurations.

EspressoLove said:
What I want is 14-15" MBA Pro. With 2.5Ghz & 9400mGT. And with 25W full speed CPU weeks away, this is much more feasible.

15"? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? The MBP is likely to get its dimensions shaved in the next revision so maybe that's what you're looking for.
 
Another car analogy

Referring to a V20 Dodge.....

Given that many cars today can shutdown unused banks of cylinders, the V20 can be a V2 or V4 in traffic, but can pour on huge power when needed. To pull this analogy back to the Mac is quite easy. A Multicore processor where the software can shutdown the extra cores to conserve power would be quite useful. What is really needed is more software and OS work when it comes to creating a truly dynamic machine.

It would be great to have a machine that could sip the volts off of one core and the SSD and integrated graphics when on battery power, yet rip off 4 cores, graphics card 2nd 7200 rpm drive when "docked" or on external power. The currently available power schemes don't seem to do that. I understand that Apple likes to keep it simple, but as far as I know, the power management regime is a black box.

I realize that the reference to multi-graphics systems is pretty unrealistic and could be totally off-base, as I don't know comparative power consumptions. But I do understand that dual graphics for purely power reasons are not to be expected in a market economy. However the scalability dream is still there.

In these days where people often opt for a single, "fit all" solution, this scalability would greatly aid in the portability vs. power compromise.

**As the V20 is fantasy, the shutting down of cylinders (as done by other manufacturers) is extended into that fantasy world.
 
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