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musicpenguy

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Thought some might be interested in this story. I noticed yesterday my mid-2011 11” MacBook Air had an issue: the lid wouldn’t close properly and the trackpad wasn’t clicking. Looking at it I could tell the battery had swollen up and I should probably get it replaced as eventually that case will break and the laptop will be unusable.

I found an appointment for that same day (amazing!) - when I arrived the genius told me that the laptop is what Apple calls vintage and there is no way in their system that they could open a service request for it. I was kind of baffled because as Apple has said before that batteries are consumables that eventually need replaced and for Apple to refuse to replace the battery seemed to be a bit bizarre, especially since that battery hasn’t changed design and the 2015 version or whatever the last version of the 11” Air would have those same parts and they could pretty easily continue to do battery replacements even if the other components are what they call vintage.

He was sympathetic to my concern that the laptop would get worse if the battery was left in and offered to simply remove the battery and that it would continue to work as normal if plugged into a charger. I took him up on the offer and got that done for free.

It is pretty interesting to use a laptop without the battery - the Air especially has balancing issues without the battery down there, at times it’ll tip backwards, and it is even lighter than before.

I also find it baffling that the hardware is unserviceable and vintage by Apple’s standards, but OS wise it runs High Sierra, so if I had a hardware issue caused by an OS update that Apple couldn’t help in any way.

I don’t use my Mac that often (once a week for a Google Hangouts Live podcast I do), so at some point I may get the $40 to $70 battery and install it, looks pretty simple. I’m curious how long this Air will continue to run, for a now almost 7 year old laptop it feels just as snappy as it did day 1 and I’d say I’ve gotten some good life out of it. I’ve switched over to 2 iPad Pros (a 10.5 and 12.9 gen 2) and this 2011 MBA is probably the last Mac I’ll ever own. Anyways thought I’d share this story.
 
2011 11" MBA and the 2015 11" MBA are completely different. In 2013 they changed the layout of the inside of the computer, completely changing the battery. The battery is roughly 20% larger in 2013+ models compared to 2011/2012.
 
2011 11" MBA and the 2015 11" MBA are completely different. In 2013 they changed the layout of the inside of the computer, completely changing the battery. The battery is roughly 20% larger in 2013+ models compared to 2011/2012.
Fascinating! I had no idea - I figured the design was the same internally since the external design is identical. I also saw on Macsales a 2011 MacBook Air battery being the same as the 2015 model they were selling so not sure if I misread that product description.
 
Apple portables also run at half speed without batteries, so running the computer without the battery also brings a significant performance penalty.
 
Fascinating! I had no idea - I figured the design was the same internally since the external design is identical. I also saw on Macsales a 2011 MacBook Air battery being the same as the 2015 model they were selling so not sure if I misread that product description.
That could be a typo on their part because I have a 2012 and my GF has a 2013. Definitely different batteries. By over 1000mAh too.
 
Apple portables also run at half speed without batteries, so running the computer without the battery also brings a significant performance penalty.
Good to know - I’ll see if Hangouts falls apart with that throttling.
 
So, just curious - when you booked your appointment online, did you / were you able to specify what MacBook Air you'd be bringing in? I've not yet set an appointment for my (2011) 11" Air that way, so I just don't know.
It would seem to me that if the system knew what you were bringing in - and Apple considers that vintage and won't repair it - then you shouldn't have been offered an appointment. A disclaimer instead. You got a resolution of sorts regardless, but its not what you were given to believe would be happening.
 
So, just curious - when you booked your appointment online, did you / were you able to specify what MacBook Air you'd be bringing in? I've not yet set an appointment for my (2011) 11" Air that way, so I just don't know.
It would seem to me that if the system knew what you were bringing in - and Apple considers that vintage and won't repair it - then you shouldn't have been offered an appointment. A disclaimer instead. You got a resolution of sorts regardless, but its not what you were given to believe would be happening.
If you're in Toronto (I am also) and are planning on taking it in for anything hardware related, neither Apple nor any AASP in town will touch it. I've worked for both and once it's vintage, that's it for 'first party' repairs.
 
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I use my 13" MacBook Air 2011 as my main machine. I'm editing all my Youtube videos (now 1080p) on it, have written all my books on it, I'm doing my audio editing, email, facebook, client conversations, zoom meetings, skype, accounting, everything with it. IMO it's one of the greatest computers ever built. I love my build in ports, I use all of them almost every day (23" external screen via TB2). I use my Bose QC 35 II via headphone jack. Btw, I'm on the 3rd battery now (last time replaced in 6/2017).
 
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So, just curious - when you booked your appointment online, did you / were you able to specify what MacBook Air you'd be bringing in? I've not yet set an appointment for my (2011) 11" Air that way, so I just don't know.
It would seem to me that if the system knew what you were bringing in - and Apple considers that vintage and won't repair it - then you shouldn't have been offered an appointment. A disclaimer instead. You got a resolution of sorts regardless, but its not what you were given to believe would be happening.
Yea the built in system UI for getting support sent me to the web that included the serial number and it would let me book an appointment.
 
I am refurbishing a 2011 13-MBA for my brother. The battery was replaced at Apple a little over 2 years ago, so it was annoying that the Service Battery indicator came on. But I got a "top reviewed" one off Amazon and in the couple of weeks it's been installed, it seems to hold a charge well. I am pretty familiar with taking the backs off, and the battery came with both required screwdrivers (which I added to my collection). Whole thing took less than 10 minutes. I expect tis last several more years. It's running 10.12.6.
 
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Yea the built in system UI for getting support sent me to the web that included the serial number and it would let me book an appointment.

Well, that's stupid. I would think a business-like but 'frank' letter is due Support, Tim and cc'ing the Store is in order.
If they won't repair a device when they know what it is before you come in, then time is wasted on both sides.
 
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