Interesting Statement by Adam Savage of MythBusters

[sinsin07]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you think that Apples long-suffering with perfecting products and/or features is a major contributing factor as to why Apple doesn't have "Vista-Like" problems?

Of course I would love to have all of the features I want now, but I would rather wait until the feature is perfected instead of it being incredibly frustrating do to a poorly thought out rapid release.

There are allot of smart people at Apple. It did not take two years to figure out cut and paste. Get real.


(Edit: Actually it is probably more than two years, you have to count the time for the development of the initial first gen OS)

 

[The Californian]

There are allot of smart people at Apple. It did not take two years to figure out cut and paste. Get real.


(Edit: Actually it is probably more than two years, you have to count the time for the development of the initial first gen OS)

You're absolutely correct in saying that they have a lot of smart people at Apple, but I'm fairly confident in saying that they didn't have their biggest and brightest working on CCP, maybe they were working on other things like ... Revolutionizing the mobile phone? Multi-touch technology? Accelerometer technology? I dunno.

 

[sinsin07]

You're absolutely correct in saying that they have a lot of smart people at Apple, but I'm fairly confident in saying that they didn't have their biggest and brightest working on CCP, maybe they were working on other things like ... Revolutionizing the mobile phone? Multi-touch technology? Accelerometer technology? I dunno.

Yeah and in development each one of those things are handle by different groups of people. So what's your point? They only had one monkey working on the interface and all the other best and brightest working on how fast your iphone is moving and whether it turns sideways?

 

[vinay427]

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You're absolutely correct in saying that they have a lot of smart people at Apple, but I'm fairly confident in saying that they didn't have their biggest and brightest working on CCP, maybe they were working on other things like ... Revolutionizing the mobile phone? Multi-touch technology? Accelerometer technology? I dunno.

Yeah and in development each one of those things are handle by different groups of people. So what's your point? They only had one monkey working on the interface and all the other best and brightest working on how fast your iphone is moving and whether it turns sideways?

Haha, good point. But I still think that the delay was because of Steve Jobs and others like him at Apple who didn't want to admit they're "wrong", at least IMO.

 

[djjclark]

They don't have infinite resources to throw at a project. To complete QA testing they had to pull folks from the OS team. They prioritized the functions they thought mattered most and could be implemented correctly with the resources they had. To say they didn't have C&P because Steve didn't want it is probably more likely that Steve didn't like how they implemented it and they had neither time nor resources to get it right. Other places might have gone with the poor implementation so they could check that feature box where Apple choose not to.

 

[sinsin07]

They don't have infinite resources to throw at a project. To complete QA testing they had to pull folks from the OS team. They prioritized the functions they thought mattered most and could be implemented correctly with the resources they had. To say they didn't have C&P because Steve didn't want it is probably more likely that Steve didn't like how they implemented it and they had neither time nor resources to get it right. Other places might have gone with the poor implementation so they could check that feature box where Apple choose not to.

Pure fiction. Unless you were there, than all the above is just speculation and doing a CAA (Cover Apple's Ass)

CCP = More than two years. Your argument may have some merit for the first gen Iphone. However there was the development time leading up to the first gen Iphone. Then there was two whole years from that point.

Secondly, do you really believe it takes infinite resources for CCP?

I can speculate that it more than likely that Jobs is so rich that other people do his cut, copy and paste. Therefore, he didn't need it, and in his mind nor did the public.

I like my iphone, don't get me wrong. I like Apple, it performs a necessary evil, its the antithesis of M$. Imagine if we only had M$ and Windows. I have to get shades

However I am typing this on a Windows machine

 

[vinay427]

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They don't have infinite resources to throw at a project. To complete QA testing they had to pull folks from the OS team. They prioritized the functions they thought mattered most and could be implemented correctly with the resources they had. To say they didn't have C&P because Steve didn't want it is probably more likely that Steve didn't like how they implemented it and they had neither time nor resources to get it right. Other places might have gone with the poor implementation so they could check that feature box where Apple choose not to.

Pure fiction. Unless you were there, than all the above is just speculation and doing a CAA (Cover Apple's Ass)

CCP = More than two years. Your argument may have some merit for the first gen Iphone. However there was the development time leading up to the first gen Iphone. Then there was two whole years from that point.

Secondly, do you really believe it takes infinite resources for CCP?

I can speculate that it more than likely that Jobs is so rich that other people do his cut, copy and paste. Therefore, he didn't need it, and in his mind nor did the public.

I like my iphone, don't get me wrong. I like Apple, it performs a necessary evil, its the antithesis of M$. Imagine if we only had M$ and Windows. I have to get shades

However I am typing this on a Windows machine

That was pretty funny! Good points, too.

 

[GeneralP]

you know... Adam Savage is fun to watch on TV. But he is just another person. WHy does his opinion matter more than mine or anyone elses? oh I got the answer... IT DOESN'T. move on

 

[shakenmartini]

Pure fiction. Unless you were there, than all the above is just speculation and doing a CAA (Cover Apple's Ass)

CCP = More than two years. Your argument may have some merit for the first gen Iphone. However there was the development time leading up to the first gen Iphone. Then there was two whole years from that point.

Secondly, do you really believe it takes infinite resources for CCP?

I can speculate that it more than likely that Jobs is so rich that other people do his cut, copy and paste. Therefore, he didn't need it, and in his mind nor did the public.

I like my iphone, don't get me wrong. I like Apple, it performs a necessary evil, its the antithesis of M$. Imagine if we only had M$ and Windows. I have to get shades

However I am typing this on a Windows machine

While you attempt to make some valid points, it has been widely reported that iPhone 1.0 was a huge hack to get it running. During the period from annoncement to release there reports that the testers were getting deaily new OS builds to test/fix problems. If you have ever coded you would know how much work it is to release daily bugfix releases and optimizations.

I have no doubt CCP didn't make it into 1.0 because of this.

Version 2 of the iPhone OS was a major rewrite and streamline of 1.0 with a major focus on getting the SDK to not only work, but be really darn good. See the life cycle for the Pre as to why this is so important. We have killer games on the iPhone due to Apples efforts at this stage of the game. Also between version 2.0 and 2.2 there were SIGNIFICANT OS optimizations for battery life and stability, again a very time intensive effort.

Version 3, <2 years in the making is now implementing those features that they just didn't have time in previous versions to polish (CCP, MMS etc). Yes we don't get the feature checkboxes out of the box, but when they do come, they are generally well executed.

I think you grossly underestimate how much time and effort are required to launch a new OS rewrite (iPhone is modified OSX), with a good SDK (including gaming support) on a platform (phone) which your company has no previous experience.

Look at all the trouble the Pre is having getting out of the gate (SDK, Appstore, games, OS instability) and this is coming from a company who have significant experience making smartphones with their own custom os and SDK.

 

[alFR]

Pure fiction. Unless you were there, than all the above is just speculation and doing a CAA (Cover Apple's Ass)

Unless you were there, or have significant experience in writing mobile operating systems, I doubt you have any idea how much work goes into implementing a neat, intuitive copy and paste feature on a touchscreen phone. Also, you have absolutely no idea as to the real reason they took as long as they did to add it (hard to do? Other features were being requested more by users via their feedback form? SJ didn't think it was a priority? Market research showed most people with other smartphones never use the feature?). In other words, your opinion is no more valid that anyone else's, so stop criticising people for speculating when you are doing the exact same thing.

 

[sinsin07]

Unless you were there, or have significant experience in writing mobile operating systems, I doubt you have any idea how much work goes into implementing a neat, intuitive copy and paste feature on a touchscreen phone. Also, you have absolutely no idea as to the real reason they took as long as they did to add it (hard to do? Other features were being requested more by users via their feedback form? SJ didn't think it was a priority? Market research showed most people with other smartphones never use the feature?). In other words, your opinion is no more valid that anyone else's, so stop criticising people for speculating when you are doing the exact same thing.

Dude or whatever, its cut, copy paste. Say it slowly with me, c-u-t c-o-p-y a-n-d p-a-s-t-e. Palm had this in 1990s. Inutivitve? You highlight the text you want to copy with your little finger, you press a menu thingy and viola! If they did not know how to do it they should have asked sombada (just kidding)

Unlike others, I don't feel a need to make cover stories for multimillion dollar companies that I don't own or run. I call it like I see it. You may see it differently, and that is all nice and good. I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread that I was speculating, but I don't present it as fact. And don't preach, I don't go to church. I f your a member of the church of Steve Jobs, keep that to yourself.

Anyway, we have cut and paste so all is good.

 

[fimac]

Dude or whatever, its cut, copy paste. Say it slowly with me, c-u-t c-o-p-y a-n-d p-a-s-t-e. Palm had this in 1990s. Inutivitve? You highlight the text you want to copy with your little finger, you press a menu thingy and viola! If they did not know how to do it they should have asked sombada (just kidding)

Although Apple is rightly criticized for how long CCP took, the implementation has drawn a lot of praise -- and is unsuprisingly the best-in-class IMHO.

CCP has made my iPod Touch much more useful and thus, like Adam Savage, I am happy

 

[vinay427]

Although Apple is rightly criticized for how long CCP took, the implementation has drawn a lot of praise -- and is unsuprisingly the best-in-class IMHO.

CCP has made my iPod Touch much more useful and thus, like Adam Savage, I am happy

I know a lot of people do like it a lot, but personally I wish it were different. Half the times that I go to drage a page down or do something else with the finger it enables the stupid CC&P window and highlights the whole paragraph. It happens most or MacRumors Mobile, ironically. Anyway, I think it can be enabled too easily and accidentally. I only use it about once a week but it's enabled and disabled about 25 times a day, literally, during my web surfing.

Also, I hope by "best-in-class" you are just comparing touchscreen phones, because IMO non touch screen phones with a trackball or something similar are more accurate but more cumbersome. They don't compare (good or bad) with the iPhone, Android, etc.

 

[darngooddesign]

EDIT: It's just interesting to me that some people think this way. They're willing to give up a useful feature and be somewhat embarrassed in front of their friends, all for the sake of believing the Steve Jobs is always right. Why do you think he was booted from Apple at one time? People didn't like his attitudes and choices. He only ended up coming back because NextStep, his product, appealed to Apple.

LOL and the people who booted him ran the company into near obsolescence (and I'm someone who bought the early Newton). When he came back he saved Apple. God knows you wouldn't have your precious iPhone without him.

And while I didn't really miss C&P on the iPhone, but I'm happy to have it now. If I wanted it bad enough I would have installed Clippy.