Internet users could be banned over illegal downloads

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by tjcampbell, Feb 12, 2008.

  1. tjcampbell macrumors 6502a


    Aug 14, 2006
  2. R.Youden macrumors 68020


    Apr 1, 2005
    Quickly reading the comments I think two things stand out for me:

    1. This will only encourage the dodgy street corner DVD sellers and increase drug and violence problems on the streets of the UK.

    2. Why can't the government invest this money on stopping SPAM emails and help stop malware.

    But that will benefit the consumer, not the fat cats in Hollywood!
  3. retro83 macrumors member

    Feb 3, 2008
    It sounds like the copyright holder will fire an email off the the ISP with a list of IP addresses to warn/ban. Interesting to see if this will work out well for them. Surely the ISPs can't be happy about having to act in this manner against their customers.
  4. saltyzoo macrumors 65816


    Oct 4, 2007
    I don't know about Britain, but this certainly wouldn't hold up under the U.S. constitution.

  5. Abstract macrumors Penryn


    Dec 27, 2002
    Location Location Location
    I wonder how much the total global internet usage would drop if people stopped illegal downloads. Surely it would result in a 90% drop in bandwidth usage.
  6. DAC47 macrumors 6502


    Mar 1, 2007
    this is probably unworkable
    the ISP wont like it because they have to police their own customers
    and then cut them off
    it ill be bad PR because sooner or later they'll make a mistake and cut of some old granny with an open wifi set up

    just cant see this becoming law

  7. bigandy macrumors G3


    Apr 30, 2004
    I work for an ISP, and it's far, far easier than you could ever imagine for 'us' to see what you're doing.

    Comcast use packet header sniffing already to mess with torrent seeding in the US, and I can see it being implemented quickly here, especially with the cheapo providers like Sky, Orange, O2 and the suchlike.

    I reckon that ISPs will just implement better packet sniffing tools to filter more out, before being rather annoyed that they're being asked to kick off their users, and lose lots of money - P2P users generally seem to be happy to pay more for a connection with higher bandwidth limits, etc.

    There's also the fact that home routers, and their users, are becoming more advanced. Many users now use https connections to download .torrent files, where the secure connection encrypts the download, meaning ISPs can't see it and block it. More and more routers are available with custom/homebrew firmware which will do it's own packet sniffing - and encrypt any P2P traffic before it hits the ISP.

    The government and organisations like the record labels/film industry will always be a few steps behind.
  8. Gelfin macrumors 68020


    Sep 18, 2001
    Denver, CO
    Yeah, see, I don't even understand the logic of that. Time was, until very recently, the position of telecom companies of all stripes was that their business was to provide a pipe, not to control what was done with that pipe.

    The reasoning there is that as soon as you admit to any responsibility for what your customers do over your equipment, you instantly assume all such responsibility, which is impossible to achieve and ruinously costly to pursue. Beyond physical resource usage concerns, to care what your customers are doing enough to look is simply bad for business.

    Furthermore, as a customer, I suddenly find myself in the position of being concerned whether my own communications security is sufficient to prevent a rogue employee of your organization from sniffing my corporate communications and selling them to my competitors. People doing illegal things on the network are very crafty out of necessity, and if you've invented ways to spy on them, then you can probably spy on me as well. I can vet the people I hire, and can fire them for malfeasance. I have no such options with employees of your company.

    The result is that I am forced to do business with companies I cannot trust, who seem hell bent upon coming up with new ways to brag to the government and to the relatively microscopic entertainment industry, who are not paying customers I might add, about all the ways they have come up with to violate my privacy. Frankly, I support suing AT&T into dust over the illegal wiretapping issue here in the U.S. for which our lawmakers want to grant them immunity, but I am forced to do business with them nevertheless unless I want to just go off the grid and open a bakery or something. This entire situation offends me in ways I cannot even begin to describe adequately.

    Sorry to rant. I realize you only work there, but the course telecom companies worldwide are pursuing seems quite simply insane to me. I'm rapidly becoming a fairly extreme advocate of strong cryptography everywhere, and damn the consequences that law enforcement types will inevitably screech about.
  9. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004

    we're talking illegal downloads. not porn. :p

    but in all seriousness: this will happen sooner or later, imo. comcast has packet sniffers, and are doing their best to stop it, its only a matter of time before more steps are taken. my only worry would be then: how does the isp know is an illegal download over something legit? torrents do have legal uses, albeit they're probably not mainly used for that these days.
  10. Fearless Leader macrumors 68020

    Mar 21, 2006
    You mean over there across the puddle they care about you?

    what happens when the local neighbor kid uses his vodo magic and connects to your wifi?
  11. davidjearly macrumors 68020


    Sep 21, 2006
    Glasgow, Scotland
    Porn, which probably accounts for 90% of illegal downloads. ;)
  12. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

    Jan 6, 2004
    got me there.
  13. cyberjunky macrumors regular

    Feb 6, 2008
    The freedoms we once knew, the ones our fore fathers thought for, not only in the usa, but here in Britain and the rest of europe and slowly but carefully and tactfully being grinned down, our freedoms of speech forced to be politically correct and over ridden by laws of hate speech that actually let the true criminals run a mock, our freedom to not be spied upon waltzed over by telecommunications companies, banks and the governments.

    Only a matter of time people before RFID ruins our lives...populace tagging, thats what the government and bankers and so fourth really want. We "commoners", us poorly "working class", us scum are merely live stock to those cowards scum who lurk in the shadows.
  14. davidjearly macrumors 68020


    Sep 21, 2006
    Glasgow, Scotland
    Seriously, what?

    Oh, thats right, the government shouldn't stop illegal downloading. It is completely fair to the copyright owners.

  15. DAC47 macrumors 6502


    Mar 1, 2007
    have you though about switching to decaf ;)
  16. Cromulent macrumors 603


    Oct 2, 2006
    The Land of Hope and Glory
    Just use SSL connections for anything 'dodgy' you do. Problem solved.
  17. ajx22 macrumors regular

    Jan 25, 2008
    Honolulu (Hawai'i Kai), Hawai'i
    Regardless of your 'use' - security & prying eyes should always be of concern.

    Anonymous VPN (Virtual Private Network) is only $100/year = 100% 128bit encrypted internet transmissions anywhere; including when you're using the WiFi in Starbucks, at work, etc.

  18. cyberjunky macrumors regular

    Feb 6, 2008
  19. Henri Gaudier macrumors 6502a

    Henri Gaudier

    May 4, 2005
    I agree largely with what you've said. But I think this is just everyday policing. Sure it's motivated by supplication to The Combine but what isn't? Sarko has floated this idea a while ago in France. Once you travel around a bit, you see that the political class are bereft of ideas and trawl the world for somebody else's. Zero tolerance, New Deal etc blah .

    I don't know if "fathers thought for" was a typo but it's got a nice lyrical power to it. Liberty being "grinned down" is equally poetically dark. Nice one.
  20. GFLPraxis macrumors 604


    Mar 17, 2004
    I don't like the precedent, but this isn't a horrible thing- I mean, the downloads ARE illegal. I just hope they don't overtrivialize it (i.e., sometimes I get on BitTorrent to download discontinued TV shows that are not sold on DVD or aired on TV, or ripped unreleased soundtracks from old games).

    I wonder about the effect on corporations though! What happens if a large organization has a single member downloading MP3s on the corporate internet account? Losing internet could cost some companies millions, even for a day.
    Comcast is already sort of doing this in some regions. Look up Sandvine- they're using it to send packets that reset BitTorrent connections.

    I can't upload anything over a bittorrent connection, nor can anyone in my area.
  21. saltyzoo macrumors 65816


    Oct 4, 2007
    No, the downloads are SUSPECTED to be illegal. Here in the U.S. we are innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Just because I use a torrent doesn't mean I'm downloading illegal stuff. Give me my day in court before you "punish" me. Thanks.
  22. Counterfit macrumors G3


    Aug 20, 2003
    sitting on your shoulder
    Tea has caffeine too you know. ;)
  23. BlakTornado Guest


    Apr 24, 2007
    Washington, OH
    "People who illegally download films and music will be cut off from the internet"

    So I can still download software!? WOOOO!!!

    ... Not that I download software in the first place, since a large amount of Mac software is dirt cheap anyway.

    Well, I guess it's time to convince my family into buying a better router which can actually be password protected because I don't want my internet cut off. Without it, I'm nothing... Oh well... I know there are a couple of other people in my neighborhood who have unsecured routers as my PC's Wifi Dongle's software would auto-connect to whichever one was nearest - which was bloody annoying. Thank God my iMac knows how to stay where it's put! Was incredibly annoying when I was uploading videos to the internet, and so on...
  24. Poncho macrumors 6502


    Jun 15, 2007
    Everyone in the UK who was against this could 'forget' to put the passwords into their routers then your ISP and the police couldn't say it was you doing the P2P. It might be your neighbour.

    Actually my neighbour is a Windows techhead and I'm sure he piggybacks my connection anyway.
  25. EricNau Moderator emeritus


    Apr 27, 2005
    San Francisco, CA
    While it would be harder to file criminal charges against you, it would make no difference in canceling your service.

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