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At this point, I'm starting to wonder if Apple is just going to simply kill off the Mac Pro and the XServe.

They can't. They're professional machines... they will update them because people need them. I'm sure the fact businesses try to cut back on buying unessentials like new computers during tough economic times is the main reason why Apple are in no rush to update.

Consumers on the other hand will still spend hence ipad and iphone4.
 
Why not? Log into CMS, delete "new" after 6 months, logout of CMS. Shouldn't take more than a minute. ;)

Right now, I (want to) believe that they are redesigning the Mac Pro. I don't think it will be discontinued. After all, Apple wouldn't want to depend on Windows boxes to deliver the HD content for its iProducts.

but you could with a top end iMac
and you'd have an even more direct empathy if you have a touchscreen iMac
 
but you could with a top end iMac
and you'd have an even more direct empathy if you have a touchscreen iMac

What if you don't like mirror screens? What if you want a dual or tripple matte 30" screen setup? What if you want more than 16 gb ram? What if you want an internal raid setup? What if you don't want to loose the whole computer when the screen breaks?

What if you don't want your arms to hurt after 20 minutes of using a touchscreen on your desk?

No, for some, an iMac is simply not an option.
 
Actually, it seems like I get click-jacked every Tuesday when I load Mac Rumors to check for any Mac Pro news :(

Ya, that's how i feel too! All it is is more iPhone 4 Crap. I Honestly don't give a flying F--- whether or not iPhones have shipped from any location or to any company. If people care so much, just let em check order status. Don't crap up the macrumors front page.
 
Ya, that's how i feel too! All it is is more iPhone 4 Crap. I Honestly don't give a flying F--- whether or not iPhones have shipped from any location or to any company. If people care so much, just let em check order status. Don't crap up the macrumors front page.

I love the home page posts that say things like "some customers seeing iPhone orders shipped."

Wow.
 
but you could with a top end iMac
and you'd have an even more direct empathy if you have a touchscreen iMac

Not true. An iMac has so many limitations. On paper it looks wonderful, but putting out HD shows requires a Mac Pro for many reasons. Unless you're talking youtube videos or 1-minute promo's. I find the newest imac useless for even offlining in final cut, if you've got lots of media and high-resolution graphic elements.
 

Because someone will take it as an pre-announcement of a newer Mac Pro and when it doesn't come soon enough they'll hire some ambulance chasing lawyer to charge Apple with breaking a commitment to release a product. Even if don't get sued, a self inflicted Osborne effect .... yeah that is a really good idea.


It is obvious to those that look at the site that "new" is relative to the "old" version of the product; it did not exist before. It is still technically new as long as there isn't a newer one. So there is no reason to change it. That's why not. There is no reason to create a drab, mundane sales pitch to the product over time. Is "magical" , "amazing" , etc. have all their impact after iFixit has dissected it and the products have been in the stores for 6 months? Going to change those words too? There are also folks who don't load up the page every couple of weeks to re-read it. To those folks, it is fresh.

It is a sales pitch web page. It is not a tech spec page.

Anyone who really just wants to check whether Apple has announced anything new can go to Apple's press release page or their "news" page. That is where 'news' is published. Alternatively, they can go to the support page (http://www.apple.com/support/macpro/) and look at the specifications (usually updated 24 hours after intro) . Those are labeled by date.


Right now, I (want to) believe that they are redesigning the Mac Pro.

That would be the best excuse for the delay. Doesn't seem to be the most plausible though.
 
What if you don't like mirror screens? What if you want a dual or tripple matte 30" screen setup? What if you want more than 16 gb ram? What if you want an internal raid setup? What if you don't want to loose the whole computer when the screen breaks?

What if you don't want your arms to hurt after 20 minutes of using a touchscreen on your desk?

No, for some, an iMac is simply not an option.

Yes, that screen is TERRIBLE. I was just trying to watch a rough-cut video on an iMac and nobody could see anything but the room reflection (it's near a window, mind you). Awful.
 
Don't crap up the macrumors front page.

Macrumors front page is filled with whatever will generate the most page hits... and ad presents. It is an attractor of what is broadly controversial (or minimally discussed) more so than highest newsworthy item.

Occasionally when there is a real new rumor or bonafide news (announcement) that is significant so it gets weaved into the mix. There are not several new solid rumors a day, 365 days a year. the 24/7/365 news cycle contributes to this too.

The iphone just got released. It is now in users hands so there is lots of feedback to be gathered. There is no reason why it shouldn't be on the front page.
 
I think Steve Jobs looked at some invoice and said "Shake? What's this crap? Cancel it."

Apple bought Shake back in 2002. At that time, Jobs was still eyeball deep in time slicing between being CEO of Pixar and Apple at the same time. Apple went on a run of buying stuff associated with Hollywood. That all smelled much more of Jobs' hand than something that sneaked in under his radar since he was spending "half" of his time bopping around Hollywood business circles.

I'd guess that Apple wanted Shake on the Mac OS X platform. When porting porting proved to be more expensive than Nothing Real could (or wanted to ) shoulder could have led to discussions for Apple to invest to get it ported. When Apple found out they could buy NR for a relatively low amount they did.

So easily, Apple bought it because they could and it was "cheap". Neither one of those is a solid foundation for a long term commitment to the product.

I also wonder what Apple thought their pro customers would think about their decision to take a program that was basically an industry standard, require you to buy a mac to use it

Industry standard?

A post here:
http://forums.cgsociety.org/archive/index.php/t-741312.html

pegged NR's user base at 2,500. Apple then went on to grow that to 30-40K. Given the associated post acquisition price drops (and likely increase in academic copies sold) that seems reasonable. High prices tends to shrink the user base.

At 2,500 and 10K price it would be shocking if Apple paid more than $25M for NR. At 30K and $5K they would more than made their money back. So shutting it down, if continued development painful, is a no brainer .

Apple apparently tried to use the software as a wedge ( buying a Mac OS X software + hardware system was lower than buying just the software for Linux). Being a tool being used to achieve an end, it should be evident there isn't a deep commitment to the software in and of itself. If Apple has taken to selling appliances ( a "box" that just did compositing) that would have been more aligned with the program's primary function.


Long term though Apple needed to integrate the pro video stuff into a suite. If being used as a wedge and off platform initial heritage that doesn't particularly lend itself to merging into a suite. Once at the "but will totally rewrite from ground up to integrate" stage, you might as well just take the low hanging fruit and just merge it. (e.g., take very basic compositing and put it into the suite ).


Are people actually buying those all in one gateways and HP touchsmart PCs? God have mercy.

I should have said All-in-ones/laptops. Technically laptops are in same boat of not being "box with slots and attached monitor" category. Between the laptop and merge computer to monitor models the others are in decline. The vast majority of users need a complete system that just works. Has nothing to do with touchscreens. Has much more to do with computers becoming smaller ( fewer and fewer chips and components needed to implement one.) and the core needs of the users.

There is a smaller set of folks who do require more flexibility. They are not the mainstream. Actually never were the mainstream even if the legacy mainstream "modular box" suggested they were. That doesn't mean Apple is ignoring the market. Just assigning the relatively weighting it actually has.

Mac Pros and XServes are likely to drift into a 12-16 month refresh cycle over time. That's no slower than Moore's Law and if the "ultimate flexible" boxes drift toward packing as many transistors as possible into the box.... can't really go any faster than Moore's Law.

If there is a failure here in Apple's policy toward the Pro market, it is a failure to announce retirements/EOL around the same time that Apple internally makes the decision. If the Mac Pro has been "steved" then announce it. Not the notion of pre-announcing; that isn't as important.
 
It's the economy stupid...

I think one of the key reasons that we have not seen an update to the Mac Pro is the economy. Pros are going to be content with what they have until their own business picks up. Another reason is that the top end Mac Pros probably max the current OS X out. The software has yet to catch up with the hardware. The frustrating thing for a lot of us is that we haven't seen any sort of price breaks on the current models. It would be great if Apple threw in a better video card and a couple more gigs of ram with the base model. That would never happen but it would make it a much better value and would probably trigger some sales.
 
I think one of the key reasons that we have not seen an update to the Mac Pro is the economy. Pros are going to be content with what they have until their own business picks up. Another reason is that the top end Mac Pros probably max the current OS X out. The software has yet to catch up with the hardware. The frustrating thing for a lot of us is that we haven't seen any sort of price breaks on the current models. It would be great if Apple threw in a better video card and a couple more gigs of ram with the base model. That would never happen but it would make it a much better value and would probably trigger some sales.
They still have to compete with other vendors to some extent (i.e. software designed for a specific task available for multiple OS's, including Linux, even if it's not the same exact developer, so PC's are a source of competition to the overall bottom line), even though they can't install OS X. Dell's and other vendor's systems could potentially be run as a hackintosh system, but companies like Dell, HP,... would never condone such usage, let alone install OS X at the assembly plant.

Even if they don't offer a UNIX based OS, it's not that difficult to install a UNIX based OS by the user (various Linux distros, or others such as Open Solaris).
 
from what I've seen today all over the news about the serious iphone 4 problems, maybe it's a good idea they didn't rush the new Mac pro out. :rolleyes:
 
Mac Pros and XServes are likely to drift into a 12-16 month refresh cycle over time. That's no slower than Moore's Law and if the "ultimate flexible" boxes drift toward packing as many transistors as possible into the box.... announce it. Not the notion of pre-announcing; that isn't as important.


Moore's Law is bunk .. haven't you heard? "Likely to drift"? Dude, we're already there. iCrap is the main focus for Apple now. Pro apps and Mac PCs are taking a backseat as there is more money in selling iCrap and iAccessories. It's a painful reality.

Considering Apple is still selling old technology for the same price it did when it was released last year and knowing how fast technology out today degrades in $ value the moment you click on the "Confirm Purchase" button, it's almost.. I say "almost" a sham. It's a good thing Apple has GREAT marketing, a good OS and is selling iCrap like hotcakes to the masses or else their MAC PC development cycle would help put them in deep crap with their investors.
 
from what I've seen today all over the news about the serious iphone 4 problems, maybe it's a good idea they didn't rush the new Mac pro out. :rolleyes:

Yea, who knows, we might have ended up with serious wifi issues just by holding the Mac Pro handles! :eek: :p

Also, I want Apple to release bumpers for the Mac Pro.
 
Isn't much of the various delays to Mac hardware refreshes been due to Intel being unable to ship sufficient quantity to Apple (and other OEMs)? Be it hexacore Xeons, quad-core i7s or dual-core mobile i5s, I've been reading about shipping delays and allocations.

So in the end, what is worse? No update, or an update you can't buy for weeks/months because Apple is waiting for components?
 
Isn't much of the various delays to Mac hardware refreshes been due to Intel being unable to ship sufficient quantity to Apple (and other OEMs)? Be it hexacore Xeons, quad-core i7s or dual-core mobile i5s, I've been reading about shipping delays and allocations.

So in the end, what is worse? No update, or an update you can't buy for weeks/months because Apple is waiting for components?

That was until the end of this month
So no excuses now
Hexcores have been available in enough quantity for ANY R&D work
They've had over a year to redesign the case
Leave a gap of a week or two (max) after the new iPhone
and anything else is down to Apple not giving a flying figg about its professional market
 
Only problem with that is that without OSX you don't have iDevices. You just don't. So either they HAVE to maintain OSX on some level (and I think we all agree it's pretty woeful right now), or they allow you to develop on Windows and/or Linux. If the OSX ecosystem dries up, so does everything else. They've got to do something.

They will fade out Mac OS and will phase in iOS also for iBooks and iMacs...
 
Isn't much of the various delays to Mac hardware refreshes been due to Intel being unable to ship sufficient quantity to Apple (and other OEMs)? Be it hexacore Xeons, quad-core i7s or dual-core mobile i5s, I've been reading about shipping delays and allocations.

So in the end, what is worse? No update, or an update you can't buy for weeks/months because Apple is waiting for components?

No update is worse of course. The other way you can plan your purchase and you know what you will get and approximately when it will come. You can buy now if you need it now if you know it will be shipping in 2-3 months. When an update might happen every week it's a game of luck.

They will fade out Mac OS and will phase in iOS also for iBooks and iMacs...

Aww, stop it, stop it! I don't want to have to use Windows as my main OS.
 
Gets worse when you read stuff like this:
http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/10/06/24/mac.likely.to.be.dwarfed.by.iphone.sales/

Ive been holding off on new purchases (fiscal year for upgrade).
I honestly have above 5 digits to spend of my companies money and Ive been holding off for months now.
I think last time around there was updates at August/Fall, but its looking bleak.
It has to be MacPro or no go for us.
In a way, if Adobe opted out of supporting the Mac, we would have had no choice but to move full on Windows...ugghhh :p
 
Isn't much of the various delays to Mac hardware refreshes been due to Intel being unable to ship sufficient quantity to Apple (and other OEMs)?
Actually, No.

The information that's been available didn't distinguish between Direct and Distributor channels of supply. Those that buy enough quantity they can deal with Intel directly have had parts. It's those that don't, are forced to buy through Distributor channels, and that's where the shortage information was true.

The reason is actually simple. Those that buy directly from Intel do so via contracts (includes language for quantities, shipping schedules, and of course price). If Intel fails to meet these obligations, they're penalized (also included in the contract's language). So to make sure this doesn't happen, they'll fullfill their contract orders first before shipping any parts to the Distributors Intel uses. As the fabs aren't at 100% capacity (takes time) the day they start mass production, all the parts are used to fill contract purchases first. Anything past this, will be sent off to distributors. But as the quantity isn't high enough, they tend to have to wait before they get any supply.

Ultimately, it's all about the $$$.
 
Yea, who knows, we might have ended up with serious wifi issues just by holding the Mac Pro handles! :eek: :p

Also, I want Apple to release bumpers for the Mac Pro.

first good laugh I've had today. :D
 
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