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The movements are actually pretty straightforward. What confuses you about its valuation? Perhaps the better question—what stocks do you think are comparable?


P/E ratios alone are one of the most misleading (and wrong) reasons to either invest or divest in a stock.
P/E ratios shouldn't be though. The problem with investors is that it's opportunity cost and sentiment. people buy into stocks that they think people like you and me will buy into and than dump it leaving us to hold the thing afterwards.
 
What makes me angry about this story is not the profit Icahn has made. There are plenty of greedy bastards on Wall Street. No, what makes me mad is how much money Apple have wasted on share buybacks to please this guy and his mates. That is a criminal waste of money. It could have been spent on long term investments that would have bolstered the share price long term. Think of all the companies they could have bought with that money and how that would have added to their bottom line profits. Or they could have just given it away to charity. Steve Jobs wanted to change the world - that money could have eradicated Malaria across the world. Now that would be a legacy to be proud of.
Tim Cook lacks the vision for long term progress.
 
He hasn't sold his shares because of concerns over China, he hasn't sold them because Apple is doomed, he's sold them because he's made $2bn and with Apple's current mainstream product line stagnating he can use that money to invest better elsewhere. If one of Apple's products becomes more mainstream and takes off he'll be back.
No need for the nagar ice comments over this, don't be scared over false claims from a billionaire.
 
Apple's bubble has burst sadly, the lack of innovation is showing - I got an iPhone 6S and there is no ground breaking technology in it as such - Pressure sensitive screen is nice but still I rather it be waterproof or bigger battery. 16 GB is stupidly small also...
I remember having a iPad 3 and it's probably my pinnacle Apple Product. It never Crashed, it was lighting fast (not as slow as its now), it looked good (still does I think) and I used it and loved it!
My Macbook Pro crashes randomly, It feels incomplete in some places in the os (looking at you app store, iTunes, external keyboard, mouse support), but then again I prefer it to my Windows 10 laptop (god that is just awful)
My iPhone works mostly but the batter is no where special on it, the camera could have been better and should have been more waterproofed (like they are more water proof than iPhone 6 but I mean Apple Watch quality). The Samsung Galaxy S6 edges out the iPhone I hate to say and I could have well ended up with a Samsung Galaxy S6.

Apple - "Forward Thinking" and "Think different" seems to fade away

Literally NONE of your post has anything to do with the article. None.
 
I'm not mad, Just annoyed by your nonsense post. Thanks for your concern though.
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Lol. I edited that and it was supposed to state "Deaths". Love that auto correct feature. And my spelling!


And your attitude to boot!

AWESOME
 
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Fixed the headline for you:

"Carl Icahn Pumps and Dumps AAPL And Makes $2 billion."

The Wall Street garbage I've read today is making me feel like the entire world has gone insane.

No, Icahn didn't have much to do with pumping up the stock -- it's essentially at the same price now as 2012 (compare to, say Google, which has more than doubled since then). And he didn't exactly "dump" it leaving other shareholder out to dry, which is traditionally what a pump and dump is. He sold it because he didn't see his investment paying off any time soon. If anything he can be credited for getting Apple to finally pay dividends.
 
Apple's bubble has burst sadly, the lack of innovation is showing - I got an iPhone 6S and there is no ground breaking technology in it as such - Pressure sensitive screen is nice but still I rather it be waterproof or bigger battery. 16 GB is stupidly small also...
I think you're confusing your personal preferences with "innovation".

Do you really consider waterproof, bigger battery, and 32 GB storage on the cheapest models to be "groundbreaking technology"? If you introduced a new phone that had all three, you'd hardly get a mention on Engadget, and they surely wouldn't call you innovative.
 
Another quarter where AAPL made billions in revenue and turned out billions in net profit...time to dump the stock, watch the price plunge, and go running for the hills!

I have never been able to understand AAPL's valuation and strange price movement (relative to comparable stocks).
What's a comparable stock?
There isn't anyone out there with the same situation as apple. that's why PE ratio in this case is not very useful - it doesnt tell the whole story.
 
I think Tim Cook resigning would be a positive thing...

You got that right big time !!!

The narrative on the financial news now is that Facebook and Amazon are soaring BECAUSE of their visionary CEOs. The specifically point out that Tim Cook is not that person for Apple - and that is why the stock continues to drop - very low confidence in Tim Cook and his team.

The electric car - if there is one underway - will be a huge disaster surpased only by the waste of shareholder money in buybacks.
 
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The title said "dump", but Mr. Icahn did not through away the stocks. He sold at profit. An investor purchased at a lower price and sold at a higher price. The action is very natural and neutral to Apple or anyone.
 
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omg, im so glad I wont have to listen to this guy moaning about AAPL anymore, he didnt even own 1 percent of shares and I had to hear about this idiot all those times. We dont care what youre doing or why, go away carl.
 
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What makes me angry about this story is not the profit Icahn has made. There are plenty of greedy bastards on Wall Street. No, what makes me mad is how much money Apple have wasted on share buybacks to please this guy and his mates. That is a criminal waste of money. It could have been spent on long term investments that would have bolstered the share price long term. Think of all the companies they could have bought with that money and how that would have added to their bottom line profits. Or they could have just given it away to charity. Steve Jobs wanted to change the world - that money could have eradicated Malaria across the world. Now that would be a legacy to be proud of.

Shaun - you don't understand. Tim Cook has all the money he needs - he does NOT know where to invest it - he is the problem. I fully agree that the buybacks are a huge waste - go read my posts over the past two years on that topic.

As to giving the money away - that is not the role of the company - returning value to shareholders is.
 
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Apple's bubble has burst sadly, the lack of innovation is showing - I got an iPhone 6S and there is no ground breaking technology in it as such - Pressure sensitive screen is nice but still I rather it be waterproof or bigger battery. 16 GB is stupidly small also...
I remember having a iPad 3 and it's probably my pinnacle Apple Product. It never Crashed, it was lighting fast (not as slow as its now), it looked good (still does I think) and I used it and loved it!
My Macbook Pro crashes randomly, It feels incomplete in some places in the os (looking at you app store, iTunes, external keyboard, mouse support), but then again I prefer it to my Windows 10 laptop (god that is just awful)
My iPhone works mostly but the batter is no where special on it, the camera could have been better and should have been more waterproofed (like they are more water proof than iPhone 6 but I mean Apple Watch quality). The Samsung Galaxy S6 edges out the iPhone I hate to say and I could have well ended up with a Samsung Galaxy S6.

Apple - "Forward Thinking" and "Think different" seems to fade away

In what way is a bigger battery more innovative than 3D touch.
 
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For those that saw the interview ,Icon seemed caught off guard in many questions. He seemed to be protective of his moves yet he was the first out there to say he purchased 'additional shares' on Twitter last year.
Yes the SEC GOVERENS WHAT HE CAN SAY but it should be both ways
 
Is it fair to say that Apple is indeed is too dependant on China?
Would they have made consistent quarters of record growth had it not been for the millions of customers there?
I'm not suggesting other companies are any different (given the huge population, why not market there).
But maybe it is time Apple look elsewhere. I know India is the obvious play.
 
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Another quarter where AAPL made billions in revenue and turned out billions in net profit...time to dump the stock, watch the price plunge, and go running for the hills!

I have never been able to understand AAPL's valuation and strange price movement (relative to comparable stocks).

You're asking these questions because you don't understand the stock market.

A lot of the stock is based on a company's potential to sell in the future. Apple has been losing ground to other companies since last year. There is also no hope of innovation in the near future with Mrs. Cook at the helm of the company. The only items we've seen is a stalling Apple Pay roll out, a mediocre watch which isn't doing very well in sales, and a failure in Apple Music.

The only way Apple's stock is going to go up again is if you see Tim Cook act like a visionary inventor, which isn't going to happen. If you own APPL stock sell it now. It was down $6 a share yesterday, and now $3 a share today.
 
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