iOS 10 Mail Conversations

matt2053

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There was something visible on one of the keynote slides about Mail in iOS 10 adding or changing or improving Mail Conversations.

Can anyone check to see if something has changed in this area??
 

Cscottrun

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It is definitely different. I can't post a screenshot right now because I only have work emails, but its a bit confusing for me. Maybe I just need to get used to it. One thing that is throwing me off is that now when you open a reply chain, it seems like the newest email is at the bottom of the page.

Edit: Nevermind, the newest email is not in the bottom. It seems like its grouping emails by subject? I can't really tell. But I'd like for someone who does know how its working to explain it to me.
 
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stulaw11

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^ Go to settings-mail. You can change it to newest first.

I cant take a photo either, work email, but think more on the lines with gmail- it not only shows the income messages anymore but what you sent. Like a real chain/thread in the inbox or any folder now.
 

Cscottrun

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^ Go to settings-mail. You can change it to newest first.

I cant take a photo either, work email, but think more on the lines with gmail- it not only shows the income messages anymore but what you sent. Like a real chain/thread in the inbox or any folder now.
What is the default setting?
[doublepost=1465925703][/doublepost]The way that Apple describes it is "Organized by Thread". So basically if someone starts a new email, and people reply to it, it shows as if you were imessaging someone with the sent and reply right after each other, instead of just being able to see the inbox or the outbox. But its weird for me, because it seems like when I open an email it takes me to the middle of the page and I can scroll up and down. Hard to explain.
 

stulaw11

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default is oldest first

im sure its very beta as well which is why its a bit glitchy right now.
 

Cscottrun

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default is oldest first

im sure its very beta as well which is why its a bit glitchy right now.
There is more to it than oldest first. I am in a work email chain with several people and it seems way more confusing than just oldest first.
 

matt2053

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^ Go to settings-mail. You can change it to newest first.

I cant take a photo either, work email, but think more on the lines with gmail- it not only shows the income messages anymore but what you sent. Like a real chain/thread in the inbox or any folder now.
So basically it finally works the same as Mail.app on a Mac?
 

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Just as a follow-up:

Threads/conversations are now terrible. It worked so perfectly before: click into a thread with multiple emails and it displays the emails cleanly and separately so you can efficiently manage them. Now you have this massive scrollable conversation and have to click arrows at the top (and guess which way is which) to jump between messages and swiping to mark read or categorize is very unintuitive. What a terrible redesign. I just don't understand - it worked perfectly before and the fact is that most people's email software includes the email text you're replying to in the current message itself which makes everything a jumbled mess. This might work cleanly in Apple's keynotes where emails are "Dinner tonight?" and someone responds with an inline picture without the quoted text below, but not in the real world.
 

C DM

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Just as a follow-up:

Threads/conversations are now terrible. It worked so perfectly before: click into a thread with multiple emails and it displays the emails cleanly and separately so you can efficiently manage them. Now you have this massive scrollable conversation and have to click arrows at the top (and guess which way is which) to jump between messages and swiping to mark read or categorize is very unintuitive. What a terrible redesign. I just don't understand - it worked perfectly before and the fact is that most people's email software includes the email text you're replying to in the current message itself which makes everything a jumbled mess. This might work cleanly in Apple's keynotes where emails are "Dinner tonight?" and someone responds with an inline picture without the quoted text below, but not in the real world.
What about playing with various thread options in Mail settings?
 

GfPQqmcRKUvP

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What about playing with various thread options in Mail settings?
Definitely open to suggestions but from what I can tell you have essentially two other options: making most recent first/last and completely doing any with threading/conversations so that every email is completely separate. Am I missing something?
 

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Just as a follow-up:

Threads/conversations are now terrible. It worked so perfectly before: click into a thread with multiple emails and it displays the emails cleanly and separately so you can efficiently manage them. Now you have this massive scrollable conversation and have to click arrows at the top (and guess which way is which) to jump between messages and swiping to mark read or categorize is very unintuitive. What a terrible redesign. I just don't understand - it worked perfectly before and the fact is that most people's email software includes the email text you're replying to in the current message itself which makes everything a jumbled mess. This might work cleanly in Apple's keynotes where emails are "Dinner tonight?" and someone responds with an inline picture without the quoted text below, but not in the real world.
I've noticed this too and it's quite annoying. It was working great in iOS 9. Now its like I'm in the middle of a conversation and if I scroll a little too much up or down on a new message I lose my place in the conversation. Hopefully they'll push a fix for this soon.
 
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C DM

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Definitely open to suggestions but from what I can tell you have essentially two other options: making most recent first/last and completely doing any with threading/conversations so that every email is completely separate. Am I missing something?
I thought there was another one that includes other messages in the thread--wasn't sure if that one might have some role in all of it as far as how the conversation is presented.
 

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Just as a follow-up:

Threads/conversations are now terrible. It worked so perfectly before: click into a thread with multiple emails and it displays the emails cleanly and separately so you can efficiently manage them. Now you have this massive scrollable conversation and have to click arrows at the top (and guess which way is which) to jump between messages and swiping to mark read or categorize is very unintuitive. What a terrible redesign. I just don't understand - it worked perfectly before and the fact is that most people's email software includes the email text you're replying to in the current message itself which makes everything a jumbled mess. This might work cleanly in Apple's keynotes where emails are "Dinner tonight?" and someone responds with an inline picture without the quoted text below, but not in the real world.
One thing I noticed the other day that "fixed" this for me (I had the same complaint).

In the inbox view, where there are multiple replies (i.e., there's a message thread), there is a little double "v" displayed in the upper RH corner of the top message. If you touch that, the thread will display in the inbox view and you can go directly to (and reply to) specific messages. See if that makes it work better for you - it was a huge plus for me.
 
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One thing I noticed the other day that "fixed" this for me (I had the same complaint).

In the inbox view, where there are multiple replies (i.e., there's a message thread), there is a little double "v" displayed in the upper RH corner of the top message. If you touch that, the thread will display in the inbox view and you can go directly to (and reply to) specific messages. See if that makes it work better for you - it was a huge plus for me.
I noticed that too, but its like an added step in a way compared to the way it was before.
 

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One thing I noticed the other day that "fixed" this for me (I had the same complaint).

In the inbox view, where there are multiple replies (i.e., there's a message thread), there is a little double "v" displayed in the upper RH corner of the top message. If you touch that, the thread will display in the inbox view and you can go directly to (and reply to) specific messages. See if that makes it work better for you - it was a huge plus for me.
Nice, have to try that
 

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One thing I noticed the other day that "fixed" this for me (I had the same complaint).

In the inbox view, where there are multiple replies (i.e., there's a message thread), there is a little double "v" displayed in the upper RH corner of the top message. If you touch that, the thread will display in the inbox view and you can go directly to (and reply to) specific messages. See if that makes it work better for you - it was a huge plus for me.
Perfect, thanks! Not sure why they changed it but this solves it for me.
 

MoparShaha

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The expand/collapse button does work, but it introduces a new step. Since this change, Mail has become useless to me. I've submitted feedback to Apple.

In the meantime, I'm using Spark. It handles the conversation view perfectly, though I prefer Mail's interface overall.
 

k.alexander

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Just as a follow-up:

Threads/conversations are now terrible. It worked so perfectly before: click into a thread with multiple emails and it displays the emails cleanly and separately so you can efficiently manage them. Now you have this massive scrollable conversation and have to click arrows at the top (and guess which way is which) to jump between messages and swiping to mark read or categorize is very unintuitive. What a terrible redesign. I just don't understand - it worked perfectly before and the fact is that most people's email software includes the email text you're replying to in the current message itself which makes everything a jumbled mess. This might work cleanly in Apple's keynotes where emails are "Dinner tonight?" and someone responds with an inline picture without the quoted text below, but not in the real world.

On top of that, those left-right arrows, which make no sense for being left-right and not down-up, will also take you to the next thread when you reach the end or the beginning of the thread you're going through now. If at least the arrows stopped at the first or last message in this thread, but no, they kick you to the next one. WTF?!?
 
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matt2053

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I personally love the changes, mainly because Mail now works the same on iOS and macOS.
 
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