iOS 11 are doing it for retirees?


kaiseryeahhh

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I can not imagine how it will look in a 5s.
Apple should start programming so that everything fits the size of its screens.
It can not be that with 5.5 inches and fullhd have to see those fonts so large, and those margins of 3 cm on each side.
 

KeanosMagicHat

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They are putting unnecessarily large fonts.
Where were the designs in which you put more information on the screen and not the same but twice as big?
It's like having a 21-inch screen and putting 1024x768 because "I see it better"
Completely agree - I'm not a fan.
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What did you want? All trace of white space to be filled with Lorem Ipsum text at 3 point?

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I think that's a bit extreme - the OP is not saying that at all and is making a perfectly valid observation which is his/her opinion and one that is shared by more than a few forum members.

There's a poll on another thread that was running at 40% saying they were not in favour of these changes and 12% with no preference - that's not exactly a glowing endorsement on an Apple forum.
 
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Feenician

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Completely agree - I'm not a fan.
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I think that's a bit extreme - the OP is not saying that at all and is making a perfectly valid observation which is his/her opinion and one that is shared by more than a few forum members.

There's a poll on another thread that was running at 85% saying they were not in favour of these changes.
People are entitled to their opinion but the ops example is pretty egregious. It's a splash/intro screen meant to be seen once. It doesn't display a lot of information so there's really no purpose in increasing the density of it. It reeked of bandwagon jumping without understanding why people are on that bandwagon in the first place.

As for the non-static places this large header style is used, the second you scroll it disappears off page and into a standard size header mostly. You may not enjoy the particular aesthetic but with billion devices there is no design that will please everyone. The way it actually works is hardly a barrier to usefulness though.

As for the 85% number: self selection tends to do that.

Tl;dr I'm not saying people are wrong to have an opinion but the response seems out of all proportion.
 

KeanosMagicHat

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As for the 85% number: self selection tends to do that
I edited my post whilst you were typing your reply I guess, as I was unable to find the poll I was referring to and like to be accurate.

There have been several on the look of iOS 11 and I was pretty sure the most recent was 85% but I may be wrong, so I've added in the amended figures from the poll I could find which still shows a significant number that dislike the new look - more than Apple ideally would want on this forum, I'm sure.
 
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Feenician

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Thanks for updating it. I appreciate the transparency. It doesn't surprise me though, having had pleasant and useful back and forths with you recently.

Anyway, I'm not too sure I could take a poll on MR too seriously. A) for just that tendency for those with complaints to respond more to polling anywhere on any topic and B) a quick trip to the news section shows a significant amount of trolling and astroturfing. Hell, even a story where Apple managed to keep steady sales and grow marketshare was posted by an editor as "apple sales stagnant". This stuff is encouraged here from the top down.

In any case, none of this matters. People are entitled to their opinion, I'm not here to suppress anyone's thoughts, but it was clear that the op started the thread expecting a slap on the back for misunderstanding and misapplying reasoning for why some of the more level headed people around might have reasonable objections to the current prevailing design patterns.
 
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Tom G.

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As a retiree I feel as if the OP's title and therefore his thread is a little condescending. It seems that older people or even those with eye problems who have trouble seeing should have to put up with smaller finer fonts in the name of design. At 72 years of age my eyes are not all that bad but I do appreciate when people take the time to ensure that I can read what they are writing. There are several magazines that I no longer purchase simply because they went to a smaller finer font in order to have less pages in their publication. Less pages means less paper and ink costs and therefore more profit, and to hades with the person who may have trouble reading it.

And speaking of hades, I hope there is a special place in the lower reaches of the infernals for those who put fine white text over light colors such as yellow or pale green, blue, orange, etc. Even using a magnifying glass you have trouble reading it. Some also like to go the other way as well and put black text over blue etc. At least the n you use an iPad or iPhone you have the ability to zoom in on areas when you may need to. But to have to constantly do it is a pain in the keister. Larger bolder text is the best solution.

Just remember a few years ago when Jony Ives went with the Helvetica Neue, and they had to go back to the straight Helvetica on the next go around because of the hullabaloo that the fine Neue text caused.
 

KeanosMagicHat

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As a retiree I feel as if the OP's title and therefore his thread is a little condescending. It seems that older people or even those with eye problems who have trouble seeing should have to put up with smaller finer fonts in the name of design. At 72 years of age my eyes are not all that bad but I do appreciate when people take the time to ensure that I can read what they are writing. There are several magazines that I no longer purchase simply because they went to a smaller finer font in order to have less pages in their publication. Less pages means less paper and ink costs and therefore more profit, and to hades with the person who may have trouble reading it.

And speaking of hades, I hope there is a special place in the lower reaches of the infernals for those who put fine white text over light colors such as yellow or pale green, blue, orange, etc. Even using a magnifying glass you have trouble reading it. Some also like to go the other way as well and put black text over blue etc. At least the n you use an iPad or iPhone you have the ability to zoom in on areas when you may need to. But to have to constantly do it is a pain in the keister. Larger bolder text is the best solution.

Just remember a few years ago when Jony Ives went with the Helvetica Neue, and they had to go back to the straight Helvetica on the next go around because of the hullabaloo that the fine Neue text caused.
I don't know for sure, but I doubt that the OP was trying to be condescending, I know many younger people who have eyesight issues too.

Which is why it is vitally important that software has accessibility options available.
 

Tom G.

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KeanosMagicHat,

I agree with you and really appreciate the accessibility features in Settings. I felt the condescension on the part of the OP in the title combined with his first sentence about the large fonts.

I did forget in my previous post (#20) that when Apple went back to the regular Helvetica font that there was a hew and cry on here about that also, which only proves the point that no matter what you do you cannot please all the people all the time. Its best to just do the best that you can and let the chips not only fall where they lay, but let them roll off your back as they are falling. ;)
 
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