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This is what I've come to expect from Apple since Jobs death: everything they release seems to be a total disaster that should have never made it to market. Makes you wonder if they are thoroughly testing anything anymore or if part of their rollout scheme and a way to save money is to now roll things out not fully tested and have irate Apple users be their testing division so they hear from users how horrible their products have become. My iPhone6 is a total MESS since DOWNgrading to iOS11. Apple needs to fix ALL the issues with this OS. I've stopped counting everything on my phone that's screwing up, the list is THAT big.

This reminds me of downloading El Crapitan OS for my Mac. I had so many programs screwing up I was fortunate to be able to revert back to the previous OS. Now I'm terrified that any new OS will be another mess and refuse to download a new one until I hear from other users that the current OS is stable.

APPLE: what the hell happened to you? How could you completely lose sight of QUALITY and USER TESTING before releasing anything?? You are an embarrassment now.
 
No. Not really. Just adding the chorus of voices confirming Apple has lost it's way and everything I've downloaded and experienced from them since around Jobs death has been a total disaster. iOS11 should have never been released as it clearly wasn't fully tested. This is unacceptable.

Do you feel better for adding absolutely nothing to this conversation except some lame, pointless, sarcastic remark?
 
No. Not really. Just adding the chorus of voices confirming Apple has lost it's way and everything I've downloaded and experienced from them since around Jobs death has been a total disaster. iOS11 should have never been released as it clearly wasn't fully tested. This is unacceptable.

Do you feel better for adding absolutely nothing to this conversation except some lame, pointless, sarcastic remark?

Yes actually. Mine has also been working fine and all new software has issues of some sort. Apple has been addressing them pretty quickly.
 
always good to start yet another whiny thread. amazing, since tech companies have to always be planning ahead, how everything just fell apart when jobs passed. probably tim cook's plan all along!

for every unhappy iphone user, how many happy users are there? i've said this before; most people just use their phones. and forums like this have become places for those with issues to whine hard (vs asking for help). sad...
 
for every unhappy iphone user, how many happy users are there?

This. Had iPhone OS 2/3 been released on over half a billion devices, would we have more bug reports and issues, or less?

Deep down, we all know the answer to that question. Apple's QA has significantly improved, otherwise we'd really know about it.

1% of half a billion users report an issue: that's 5 million affected. 20% of 2 million users report an issue: that's 400,000 affected. Doesn't mean the 2 million users have a more stable OS. It just means issues are less pronounced.
 
I disagree. Most of my friends and family are have mentioned a lot of the new features that they think are great. I don’t know anyone who’s had bugs or performance issues. I’m sure some people have but it’s certainly not a disaster.
 
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I'm quite happy with iOS 11. I initially had some issues with battery drain, but it looks like it was related to apps that weren't updated for fun compatibility with iOS 11. It's been smooth sailing for the last week or so. This whining about how horrible the new iOS is happens with every new iOS release. I'm not disputing that you are having issues with your phone, but it sounds like you need to do a backup and restore your device as new. If everyone (or even everyone with a particular iPhone model) was having the same issues as you then I would agree that this release was a total disaster.
 
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No. Not really. Just adding the chorus of voices confirming Apple has lost it's way and everything I've downloaded and experienced from them since around Jobs death has been a total disaster. iOS11 should have never been released as it clearly wasn't fully tested. This is unacceptable.

Do you feel better for adding absolutely nothing to this conversation except some lame, pointless, sarcastic remark?
To be fair, you haven't really added anything new/different given that all of this has already been discussed (and realistically speaking basically beaten beyond death) dozens if not hundreds of times over and over through a period of years now.
 
The best IOS release I've had. My 6s is faster and smoother than before. Are there some things like the size of titles that I don't like - sure but they absolutely don't have any effect on my use of the phone.
I hate to say this but Jobs wasn't perfect and we have no idea what he would have done or not done. Maybe it is your use and the apps you run rather than Apple.
Rather than living with such hate why don't you get something else, bother other people and get help.
 
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You adding another “if Steve Jobs was alive” thread doesn’t exactly add anything to any conversation, except a lame, pointless sarcastic remark.

i have no proof, but am so sure of this, that it must be true; as jobs lay dying, cook and the apple board met in the boardroom, rubbing their hands in glee, planning to take their own company down... for which they've failed miserably. :D
 
This is what I've come to expect from Apple since Jobs death: everything they release seems to be a total disaster that should have never made it to market. Makes you wonder if they are thoroughly testing anything anymore or if part of their rollout scheme and a way to save money is to now roll things out not fully tested and have irate Apple users be their testing division so they hear from users how horrible their products have become. My iPhone6 is a total MESS since DOWNgrading to iOS11. Apple needs to fix ALL the issues with this OS. I've stopped counting everything on my phone that's screwing up, the list is THAT big.

This reminds me of downloading El Crapitan OS for my Mac. I had so many programs screwing up I was fortunate to be able to revert back to the previous OS. Now I'm terrified that any new OS will be another mess and refuse to download a new one until I hear from other users that the current OS is stable.

APPLE: what the hell happened to you? How could you completely lose sight of QUALITY and USER TESTING before releasing anything?? You are an embarrassment now.

Right well. My 2p worth: I’m going to suggest you grow up and get a sense of what’s truly important. Then sell your iPhone and go get a nice Samsung or other Android phone.

And no, I’m not being sarcastic or facetious, I’m being absolutely sincere and serious.
 
I agree, the quality control is most certainly lost. This isn’t just nostalgia or rose tinted glasses either but I don’t recall my iPhone 4 and 5 on their original OS’s lagging straight out of the box when I first got them. Do any of you? There was some small bugs but nothing on the scale of iOS 11’s s**tshow. Now we have to hope and wait for them to ‘smooth things out’ in months worth of point updates just for a smooth experience which shouldn’t be the case. It never used to be. It should run smooth straight out of the box. These are brand new iPhones running the supposed fastest mobile processors ever by the way. My belief is that it all started to go down hill when they redesigned it with iOS 7 in 2013 and we’re still feeling the effects of it that everyone’s complaining about today. It’s not just us tech geeks on these message boards, either, my mum says her phone has restarted several times and has been acting sluggish since updating. Even iJustine who is probably the biggest Apple fangirl out there has said it feels like it’s still in beta. I don’t see any of this changing unless Forstall comes back because that guy has a solid track record of putting out much better optimised software.
 
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I agree, the quality control is most certainly lost. This isn’t just nostalgia or rose tinted glasses either but I don’t recall my iPhone 4 and 5 on their original OS’s lagging straight out of the box when I first got them. There was some small bugs but nothing on the scale of iOS 11’s s**tshow. Now we have to hope and wait for them to ‘smooth things out’ in months worth of point updates which shouldn’t be the case. It never used to be. My belief is that it all started to go down hill when they redesigned it with iOS 7 in 2013 and we’re still feeling the effects of it that everyone’s complaining about today. It’s not just us tech geeks on these message boards, either, my mum says her phone has restarted several times and has been acting sluggish since updating. Even iJustine who is probably the biggest Apple fangirl out there has said it feels like it’s still in beta. I don’t see any of this changing unelsss Forstall comes back because that guy had a track record of putting out much better optimised software.

well, if your mom & justine are upset... everyone must be upset. nevermind those who insist they're 'ok' on ios11 (people like me); we're obviously either insane. or lying. or both.

if only these forums were focused on... people asking for help, discussing issues. being constructive. i keep thinking of leaving macrumors but... i do get help here, sometimes help others, plus... it IS fun to argue a bit, especially when there are posts like this one.
 
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