All iPads iOS 11 will definetly focus on iPad

[gobikerider]

I was just crashing cars in a virtual game and contemplating purchasing the new iPad just to have a current and fresher model iPad to have snappier performance and better battery life. Then it hit me. Why did Apple replace a seemingly perfect Air 2 with this new model,what is the most impactful difference in the new model? The A9 processor of course, as its architecturally a huge step up, yes even from a A8X, once thought to be a beast of a chip. They needed to replace the processor as iOS 11 will further introduce some enhanced multitasking or other feature that will leverage the A9 and A9X's extra performance and push the A8X to its limits. iOS 11 will definetly slow down the Air 2 enough so at least that Apple didn't think it was good enough to continue selling them. This leads me to believe new iPad Pro are also on the horizon wether be a May event or just at WWDC, Apple has something big coming in iOS 11 and what better way to show it off then with the new iPad Pro's with unprecedented performance. Yah I know the new iPad is also just a cheaper iPad to claw back the education market from Chromebooks but I'm just looking at it from a different perspective.

 

[Fattytail]

I completely agree. If you listen to the Ankve Avalon podcast, he reaches a similar conclusion. I don't think the cheaper new iPad is to clawback education buyers from the Chromebook. I think it's clear that most people prefer the 9.7 inch screen and Apple is now making it more accessible by lowering the price. I also think the 9.7 inch screen is much better suited for multitasking and other PC-like tasks. So the strategy is likely to boost sales of the 9.7 inch screen while simultaneously introducing new iPad specific features in iOS to begin helping people transition from the PC era to the post-PC era.

 

[gobikerider]

I completely agree. If you listen to the Ankve Avalon podcast, he reaches a similar conclusion. I don't think the cheaper new iPad is to clawback education buyers from the Chromebook. I think it's clear that most people prefer the 9.7 inch screen and Apple is now making it more accessible by lowering the price. I also think the 9.7 inch screen is much better suited for multitasking and other PC-like tasks. So the strategy is likely to boost sales of the 9.7 inch screen while simultaneously introducing new iPad specific features in iOS to begin helping people transition from the PC era to the post-PC era.

Very excited for this WWDC even if no new iPads iOS 11 is gonna be big

 

[mnsportsgeek]

I hope they introduce notification syncing between devices. If I read something on my iPhone, remove it from my iPad and Mac.

 

[Bclawson]

I hope they introduce notification syncing between devices. If I read something on my iPhone, remove it from my iPad and Mac.

I honestly have never thought of that. That is an awesome idea. I hate getting notifications on my iPhone and iPad and clearing them on one device just to stay on the other. That would be a sweet feature!

 

[gobikerider]

I hope they introduce notification syncing between devices. If I read something on my iPhone, remove it from my iPad and Mac.

We need this, it's the one think that is still entirely unsyncd and very annoying to read a text on my iPad and have my iPhone keep buzzing about it I essentially have to read everything twice for no reason they need to fix that

 

[44267547]

Very excited for this WWDC even if no new iPads iOS 11 is gonna be big

I actually look forward to WWDC more than I do keynotes in some respects. I think software is equally as important as hardware when you consider what advancements they make. Speaking of which, did you ever end up purchasing an iPad or did you decide to wait?

 

[gobikerider]

I actually look forward to WWDC more than I do keynotes in some respects. I think software is equally as important as hardware when you consider what advancements they make. Speaking of which, did you ever end up purchasing an iPad or did you decide to wait?

I'm on the waiting train plus I need new tires on my car so my budget isn't really allowing any impulse iPad purchases right now so that's a good thing

 

[Defender2010]

I completely agree. If you listen to the Ankve Avalon podcast, he reaches a similar conclusion. I don't think the cheaper new iPad is to clawback education buyers from the Chromebook. I think it's clear that most people prefer the 9.7 inch screen and Apple is now making it more accessible by lowering the price. I also think the 9.7 inch screen is much better suited for multitasking and other PC-like tasks. So the strategy is likely to boost sales of the 9.7 inch screen while simultaneously introducing new iPad specific features in iOS to begin helping people transition from the PC era to the post-PC era.

How is a 9.7 inch screen better at multitasking and "pc like" tasks than a 12.9 inch screen? Do explain...

 

[profets]

I hope they introduce notification syncing between devices. If I read something on my iPhone, remove it from my iPad and Mac.

We need this, it's the one think that is still entirely unsyncd and very annoying to read a text on my iPad and have my iPhone keep buzzing about it I essentially have to read everything twice for no reason they need to fix that

Agreed! But this would be for 3rd party apps right? For built in messages or mail app for example, I've never seen this happen. Ie, read a new message on my iPhone, it disappears as a notification everywhere else. Same with mail (though that depends on provider and push settings). But yeah, for 3rd party apps it drivings me crazy.

How is a 9.7 inch screen better at multitasking and "pc like" tasks than a 12.9 inch screen? Do explain...

My take away there was trying to bring larger screens to more affordable prices (Ie, 9.7 is the base/cheapest iPad now instead of the mini).

 

[ericwn]

Very excited for this WWDC even if no new iPads iOS 11 is gonna be big

Nothing hints at this any more than last year. In fact there is only speculation in anything you said in this discussion. I do hope iOS sees more iPad focus but haven't seen any indication that Apple is working on it.

 

[Fattytail]

My take away there was trying to bring larger screens to more affordable prices (Ie, 9.7 is the base/cheapest iPad now instead of the mini).

Exactly. The mini had always been the entry level model in the lineup, but they found that people weren't really buying the mini as much. So just lowering the price of the mini isn't going to drive sales. They're now hoping that by making the 9.7 new iPad the entry model at a very competitive price, the people previously on the fence will buy in. And since a bigger screen is better for laptop-like experiences anyway, these people will get an optimal experience when more iPad-specific features are released in iOS.

If I'm management at Apple, I'm really nervous about being so reliant on iPhone. iPad and the entire tablet movement was supposed to stem that a bit, but it hasn't happened. Hardware and software has now reached a point where an iPad can really do much of the things a laptop can, so I'm guessing we'll see more iPad-specific features. And maybe even iPad Pro specific features.

 

[Defender2010]

Personally I think it's more likely that the cheaper price point is to lure more customers into the ecosystem...as a long term user is much more profitable to Apple in the long run.
Using a very familiar and cheap production line allows for a lower cost device. I imagine A8X iPads will still benefit from iOS 11, even 'IF' there are new iPadcentric features. Apple are not quite as severe as they once were adding only certain features to the newest product.

 

[FeliApple]

Does the iPad Pro has, though, an 'unprecedented performance'? Per what I've read here it doesn't beat the Air 2 by a huge margin. I do agree, though, on the part that Apple should focus on the iPad for iOS 11. I hope it does not kill older iPads (Air and Air 2), because that would be sad. People should not be feared to update. Unfortunately, as Apple doesn't allow downgrading, that is what happens.
In every single update you have people here and everywhere asking, should I update? Will it make my iPad too slow? With the current progression in technology, that simply should not happen.

 

[Donfor]

I've been reasonably happy with Air 1+ios9/10

Though I keep in mind maybe ios11 will require an upgrade to ipad2017.

I certainly don't plan another ios for my Air or iphone 6.

Resisting early upgrades this year, though ipad will take priority in a few months time.
Iphone can wait until 2018.

 

[gobikerider]

Agreed! But this would be for 3rd party apps right? For built in messages or mail app for example, I've never seen this happen. Ie, read a new message on my iPhone, it disappears as a notification everywhere else. Same with mail (though that depends on provider and push settings). But yeah, for 3rd party apps it drivings me crazy.



My take away there was trying to bring larger screens to more affordable prices (Ie, 9.7 is the base/cheapest iPad now instead of the mini).

Yah I tried this last night and saw it working So fix is simple introduce a new notification sync API that gives developers access to what Apple uses, that's not difficult at all
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Yah I tried this last night and saw it working

Nothing hints at this any more than last year. In fact there is only speculation in anything you said in this discussion. I do hope iOS sees more iPad focus but haven't seen any indication that Apple is working on it.

You really think with having a Pro iPad line and having a lot of people complaining about certain parts of iOS on it that Apple hasn't been working on it for the Pro audience. iOS 10 gave iPad like zero love except safari so yah iOS 11 is like 99% chance iPad focused I'd say it's more a educated guess than speculation
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Does the iPad Pro has, though, an 'unprecedented performance'? Per what I've read here it doesn't beat the Air 2 by a huge margin. I do agree, though, on the part that Apple should focus on the iPad for iOS 11. I hope it does not kill older iPads (Air and Air 2), because that would be sad. People should not be feared to update. Unfortunately, as Apple doesn't allow downgrading, that is what happens.
In every single update you have people here and everywhere asking, should I update? Will it make my iPad too slow? With the current progression in technology, that simply should not happen.

That has been declining further and further, the iPad 4 isn't nearly as bad as iPad 2 on iOS 9 was. The trend will only continue with iPad Air and so on. The overhead of processing power will eventually diminish the performance loss over the life of a iOS device

 

[Andres Cantu]

iOS 11 needs to have further independence from iTunes. We should be able to do whatever we can on a Mac or PC in iOS, as well. For example, changing the details of songs.

 

[FeliApple]

Yah I tried this last night and saw it working So fix is simple introduce a new notification sync API that gives developers access to what Apple uses, that's not difficult at all
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You really think with having a Pro iPad line and having a lot of people complaining about certain parts of iOS on it that Apple hasn't been working on it for the Pro audience. iOS 10 gave iPad like zero love except safari so yah iOS 11 is like 99% chance iPad focused I'd say it's more a educated guess than speculation
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That has been declining further and further, the iPad 4 isn't nearly as bad as iPad 2 on iOS 9 was. The trend will only continue with iPad Air and so on. The overhead of processing power will eventually diminish the performance loss over the life of a iOS device

Probably, but the iPad 2 on iOS 9 is not comparable to an iPad 4 on the same iOS. That would be comparable with the iPad 4 on iOS 11. An iPod Touch 5G, for instance, on iOS 9, runs awfully compared to my iPod Touch 5G on iOS 6.
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iOS 11 needs to have further independence from iTunes. We should be able to do whatever we can on a Mac or PC in iOS, as well. For example, changing the details of songs.

I agree with that, having to restore from iTunes to make it safer at this point of time is, in my opinion, unacceptable, for example.

 

[gobikerider]

Probably, but the iPad 2 on iOS 9 is not comparable to an iPad 4 on the same iOS. That would be comparable with the iPad 4 on iOS 11. An iPod Touch 5G, for instance, on iOS 9, runs awfully compared to my iPod Touch 5G on iOS 6.

Of course iOS 9 runs awful on a A5 chip its way more advanced and the chip had little to no overhead. The iPad 4 won't be able to slowdown because iOS 11 will cut off 32bit support. The next devices to last awhile will be the A7 devices I imagine since they'll get iOS 11 and then I'd imagine iOS 12 will be their last update as I don't see Apple cutting off support for 32bit and then killing the first generation of 64bit devices a year later. So everyone with a a Air 2+ we have a long way to go before we get dropped. Or at least until iOS 14

 

[FeliApple]

Of course iOS 9 runs awful on a A5 chip its way more advanced and the chip had little to no overhead. The iPad 4 won't be able to slowdown because iOS 11 will cut off 32bit support. The next devices to last awhile will be the A7 devices I imagine since they'll get iOS 11 and then I'd imagine iOS 12 will be their last update as I don't see Apple cutting off support for 32bit and then killing the first generation of 64bit devices a year later. So everyone with a a Air 2+ we have a long way to go before we get dropped. Or at least until iOS 14

If the trend of the iPad 2 continues, then yes, we would have a long way to dog before we get dropped. I hope that's the case, if and when performance is somewhat acceptable.
I agree on the iPad 4 being dropped on iOS 11, but how does the iPad 4 work on iOS 10? Is it acceptable, decent, or a whole disaster?
A7 devices are 64-bit so the should be able to last a while more still, iOS 12-13 at least? I think they should be able to.., in the end it is all about software optimization for which Apple is responsible of.

 

[gobikerider]

If the trend of the iPad 2 continues, then yes, we would have a long way to dog before we get dropped. I hope that's the case, if and when performance is somewhat acceptable.
I agree on the iPad 4 being dropped on iOS 11, but how does the iPad 4 work on iOS 10? Is it acceptable, decent, or a whole disaster?
A7 devices are 64-bit so the should be able to last a while more still, iOS 12-13 at least? I think they should be able to.., in the end it is all about software optimization for which Apple is responsible of.

The iPad 4 although slightly sluggish loading things is rather smooth and responsive on iOS 10. Very impressive

 

[FeliApple]

The iPad 4 although slightly sluggish loading things is rather smooth and responsive on iOS 10. Very impressive

That's impressive. My old iPad 4 when I updated it to iOS 7 (Maybe a corrupt/bad install, though) went downhill compared to the huge smoothness it had on iOS 6.

 

[Dave245]

There hasn't really been any hints or "leaks" as to what we can expect at WWDC and within IOS 11, the only thing I've read is that Apple are looking at adding the ability to annotate (with Apple Pencil) within Safari and apps like Mail and messages. I think that would be a great idea, we may also see other iPad Pro features as part of iOS 11. As for hardware I don't think we will see anything at WWDC it will more than likely be at the September event along with new iPhones.

 

[sdz]

iOS 11 needs to have further independence from iTunes. We should be able to do whatever we can on a Mac or PC in iOS, as well. For example, changing the details of songs.

And also I want to be able to backup my ipad to any NAS via "time machine" just like I can do with the Mac...

 

[gobikerider]

And also I want to be able to backup my ipad to any NAS via "time machine" just like I can do with the Mac...

Or any external hardrive like every other computer can