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iOS 12 and planned obsolescence
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FeliApple
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TimmeyCook
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Notice the news App:
Huge difference.
iPod touches were never as fast as iPhones IIRC.
FeliApple
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One app. The rest was slower. Or equal in a few cases. My point is, in the end, updates slow down devices.
TimmeyCook
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Didn't find it, and it was very shoddy test, for example, apps weren't loading the same content.
FeliApple
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You're nitpicking at this point. But my point isn't that one. iOS 6's speed blows iOS 9 out of the water. In every and any device. That's the same with every device compared in its initial to its final version. It will be always faster in its initial version.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
What I got out of that video is ios 6 wasn't fast and ios 9.3.5 wasn't fast either with some functions being equally as slow. I would rather use 9.3.5 given that it has more app compatibility.
As far as my 6s, the performance is fine under 11.4.1. @Radon87000 posted a video comparing ios 7 vs ios 11, claiming ios 7 is faster. It was faster in some instances, slower in others. If the instances it's faster, are my use cases, ios 11 is faster. If the instances ios 11 is slower are my use cases, I would think ios 11 is slower than ios 7.
Different perceptions, different people, different use cases.
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TimmeyCook
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Do you are comparing the differences of milliseconds, and two versions of iOS were iOS REALLY GREW in terms of capabilities dramatically, this isn't iOS 9 vs iOS 11, for starters, iOS 7 onwards encrypts the full disk, something Android 5 tried to copy to abandon right after because it was too slow and OEMs were not picking it up.
So, yeah, did iOS 7 made older devices slow? Yes, is that relevant now? No. Was it worth it? Surely yes.
FeliApple
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And I have made that point since the beginning. You prefer features rather than performance? Ok. It's fine. It's perfectly acceptable. I don't. And that's acceptable, too.
Give me a perfectly working device and I'll take that if the alternative is a feature-packed device, but a slow device. I think Apple should try to give both. Features, and a perfectly working device. They can do it, if Apple's iOS 12 claims are true. That's the point I'm making. Apple should do more to optimize updates. If they cannot, then allow me to downgrade. Allow me to choose, do I want features and app compatibility? Or do I want near-perfect performance? That should be my choice. It currently isn't.
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iOS 6 wasn't fast? I beg to differ.
I will refer you to my last reply (the one that got merged with this one) as a response to the App compatibility.
You might find your 6s performance on iOS 11 acceptable (I will confirm that, I tried a 6s and an Air 2 on iOS 11 and it didn't seem bad at first glance), but some releases don't seem acceptable to me, so I don't take any chances, just in case something happens to me (iOS 7 on my iPad 4 was a disaster, and it might not have been for others) and therefore I stay on an older version, knowing perfectly that I might be missing out on features and app compatibility if the performance is fine, which might happen (I haven't seen reports of iOS 10 working poorly on either of my devices - iPhone 6s and 9.7 iPad Pro - but I chose to stay on the safe side. In hindsight, I might have missed out on App compatibility). But I accept the drawbacks.
What I don't accept, if Apple nagging us to update, or forcing us to update in case of a restore or if an issue arises.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
So "fast" I guess is a matter of perception. To use a car analogy a 550i is slower than an m5, but that doesn't make the 550i slow.
Maybe ios 12 will resolve the "nagging" issue.
FeliApple
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It is indeed a matter of perception, just as the degree to which iOS's updates slowdowns affect our perception and/or enjoyment of the device. That I can agree with.
The 6s performance on iOS 11 isn’t acceptable by any means. My mom uses one and she keeps it on low power mode all day because without low power mode it only lasts 5-6 hours of usage nowadays. I also find stuttering and load times to be annoying on it although that doesn’t bother her. They aren’t as bad as the 6 though. The 6 might as well be a paperweight to me. The main issue is the battery life. None of my iPhones or iPads have good battery life on iOS 11 except the X.
FeliApple
macrumors 601
I didn't try battery life. I have read here that it is far lower. As you said, some other people said 6 hours for the 6s too. I'm getting 8 on iOS 9. I read 8-9 hours for the 9.7 Pro, I'm getting 12-14 on iOS 9 (depends on usage).
It doesn't surprise me. Updates have always reduced battery life.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
The ios 11.4.1 thread is very positive about that release. As in such things though, YMMV.
FeliApple
macrumors 601
It is. I am getting 8-9 on iOS 9. There's no reason why it should decrease, other than degradation due to age. And that's different to automatic decrease due to updating.
So you bring up a forum thread in response to the fact that battery life is atrocious on iOS 11 while we aren't allowed to bring up those 33 pages because Loch Ness monster?
The device is not old. It's battery health is 99%. It's unacceptable. 6 hours of usage means it's out of juice by max 3-4pm after being off the charger at 8. The iPhone X and the iPhone 8 Plus are the only iPhones running iOS 11 which can last a full working day. This is what iOS updates do to Apple's older lineup. Now watch as these iPhones also degrade to 8 hours of usage once iOS 13 lands and by the time we reach iOS 14 they will last half a day. Typical life cycle of an Apple,product
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They don't need to make up a fight. Android and iOS are superior to each other in different aspects so a fight is natural.
Okay then downgrade like I did my Nexus 7.
OTOH they will be using a phone which flies while your phone is behaving like an old lady crossing the street. While you are waiting for the Uber app to load, they will have booked their cab and called the driver.
So you would rather have malware to steal money from your bank account than a 0.1 seconds slow down?
Interesting!
I would not face that choice in the first place because I would have gotten a Pixel if I prioritized security patches. You really should not bring up security vulnerabilities as an excuse for Android when people have BY CHOICE decided to not to get a secure device.
As per this screenshot is a rogue app which infilitrated the store which has happened even on iOS. A little bit of common sense and you don't have anything to fear from vulnerabilities.
This may shock you but there are banks in some countries which are using Windows XP on their network. The unpatched discountinued Windows XP handling thousands of sensitive financial transactions yet no mass scale infection has ever been raised in tech media.
Also its not 0.1 seconds. On third party apps, its more like 2-3 seconds of added delay.
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Frantisekj
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I would not want to add to any flame war and wont me commenting features as it is quite individual.
But concerning the speed. Old devices I consider 5s or 6. As I saw different speed test videos I havent see significant speed boost with this devices. Apps seems to start faster but usually it is initial animation that is faster but total launch time is about the same. And there is question to what to compare? iOS 11 or any of previous systems?
There is visible difference in keyboard poping up times and phones can work much better under havier load but there is not many test that can prove that if any.
There are users saying phoe is snappier so hopefully it is as I can not confirm myself yet that moments whehe iPhone 5s stalls while showing message from notification or show Safari tab preview or just time befre sharing menu come up...
I7guy
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Show me where I said that using a web search to to form the basis of a generalized opinion is an accurate estimate.
The remainder of this post is somewhat hyperbolic as when you talk about your phone being an old lady. Note that was your phone, not my phone. My anecdotal experience is ios 11.4.1 is fast and battery life is good. Other posts back it up. Some report the opposite. Business as usual.
TimmeyCook
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Nope.
That might be my opinion, but Android is clearly inferior and not good enough for me, and I do not recommend it to anyone, in any case.
Mainly because it lacks the security that a device has to have for today's usage. Don't care for a device were I can't do online shopping, call an Uber if I need it, or do home banking.
Second because it's dependent on the worst company out there: Google, specially in the West.
Third because all the OEMs are dishonest companies, except maybe for some companies like HTC, LG and Sony which are okay in my book, but their offerings aren't competitive, and you are not getting a better bang for buck than Apple in my book.
If you have gotten a Pixel, why not go Apple instead?
It has all the disadvantages associated with an iPhone (no headphone jack, expensive, etc.), and not as fast, displays not as good, cameras not as good, etc.
No, it hasn't.
A little bit of common sense and you have a lot to fear from vulnerabilities.
No, they aren't running unpatched.
And if they are, they are "air-gapped", meaning they are isolated from the outside world, they don't communicate with external networks.
This is my job, dude.
Exactly that's your opinion. I own both iOS and Android devices and I don't find one superior to the other in absolute terms but I am biased in s favour of Android. It's my type of OS. I like customisation. I like the freedom. I love the fact that it syncs perfectly with my Windows PC. I also like the fact that I can replicate Microsoft Timeline on Microsoft's launcher. I like the fact that I can enjoy a browser which is not just a skimmed version of Chrome and set it as default. I personally also think the way Google handles updates is much better than the way Apple does.
I have had enough of security. My iPad Mini 1 got trashed. My iPhone 6 got trashed. My iPhone 7 Plus is well on the way to becoming trash. I have resolved to never ever update iOS unless and until there is zero slowdown.
My iPhone is chock full of Google apps because they sync with Windows and Android. I use Google Keep, Google Assistant,Chrome, Gmail, Google Maps. I also find all companies dishonest. Not just Apple. In fact the richer the company the more dishonest I find them to be.
Pixel's camera is better than iPhone. The display is lame I agree. Speed wise it's more than a match for iPhone X. The iPhone X in YT speed tests was losing to a OnePlus though I put that more up to iOS 11 rather than the hardware itself. To some people, the OS tips the scale. For instance for someone like me, if Google came out with a Pixel tablet and a Pixel Watch, I would not want to stay with Apple any further.
I have already posted the links of rogue apps on iOS a few pages back. Might want to check them.
My devices are living proof this is nothing but fake news. My Moto G is on Android Nougat. My Nexus 7nis on Android KitKat. My Nexus 5 is on Android Marshmallow. Not a single one has been infected so far. If you enable the external apps feature in security settings and install third party apps and get infected, it's the user fault.
Then why did WannaCry affect only some of these banks? Why weren't all of them affected?
If security was a priority on Android, the Pixel would be a top seller by now. If cost is the issue we have cereal box devices like Nokia 6.1 and Nokia 7 Plus running on the Android One project with 2 years of guaranteed updates but they still haven’t lit the sales chart on fire in the budget segment.
So stop using the excuse about vulnerabilities. When people intentionally get an insecure device, it’s their fault, not Google’s. You have secure devices on Android available at each price point. You just have to buy them.
So stop using the excuse about vulnerabilities. When people intentionally get an insecure device, it’s their fault, not Google’s. You have secure devices on Android available at each price point. You just have to buy them.
TimmeyCook
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And the rest is your opinion and your projections.
For example, the Pixel's camera is clearly inferior to iPhone 8 Plus and X cameras.
And the speed is awful on the Pixel.
More reasons nobody buys them.
YouTubers are all fake. I was going to watch a video on YouTube, and I got an MKBHD review on the OnePlus, as an "ad".
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Why banks specifically?
Anyway, that's their fault for not contracting competent IT specialists.
You have, but I didn't accept them for the reasons I have said here, IIRC.
You don't know that.
Face it, the Pixel is a bad phone...
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Patching and the sales aspect are two different things. If you are implying if people actually cared about security the pixel would be a top seller because it more or less gets timely security updates and since it’s not a top seller ergo people don’t care about security. That not how proofs work. The same flawed debating tactic discussing cost in the next sentence.
Therefore your concluding paragraph is a non-sequitor winced it’s based on flawed logic.