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Seriously, did any one ever been attacked by these vulnerabilities? I keep hearing about them on updates, but people seem to run years outdated software just fine. I am not saying this is bad, just wondering if these vulnerabilities are all that serious.
No way to know for sure, unless someone goes public about being exploited. I would rather stay up to date even if the chance is remote, than get complacent and possibly pay a big price down the line.
 
I wonder if these holes are in iOS 12; lots of iPhone 6 users still out there, like my mom.

If it’s present in iOS 12, chances are Apple will patch it - they seem to be supporting the most recent iOS and one before it (iOS 13 doesn’t count as all iOS 13 devices can upgrade to 14).
On another thread touching upon “planned obsolescence” I went on a legacy iPad Air I still use to check for updates. They do keep them quite up to date, mine was updated in December and there was a new one already:
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Seriously, did any one ever been attacked by these vulnerabilities? I keep hearing about them on updates, but people seem to run years outdated software just fine. I am not saying this is bad, just wondering if these vulnerabilities are all that serious.
I think that for the ideal hack or exploit, you would never know. Most silent activities will probably be collecting your email, phone number, also those of your contacts, reconstructing your SSN, selling that info, getting tax credits or enquiries, etc
Some might be able to reconstruct credit card numbers, make tiny purchases, those that make you wonder “when did I buy this $3 thing?”, they might even do it on the same super markets found in account statements, etc

I’m always paranoid when I don’t recognize a posted charge, it has happened twice in my lifetime where the bank calls me to enquiry about a couple last transactions to confirm if I did them; if I didn’t, card number is compromised and blocked. They have super clever ways to detect this though because myself I was confused about those charges and they were quite confident that it might not have been me.

However it is my understanding that at least the banks case, it tends to be originated from the inside... some corrupt person, a disgruntled employee, legit human error mistake or a downright sneaky attack on their servers.
 
Remember updating to that abortion OS called Catalina???
No, can’t recall that I do. Since Apple releases security updates for the past two macOS versions in addition to the current one, I stayed on Mojave until Big Sur came out.

However, if security fixes weren’t available for Mojave, I would have endured Catalina’s bugs in order to stay up to date.
 
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Kudos for Apple/iOS - my iOS iPad Mini 2 (2014!) has an update from 12. to 12.5.1. Take THAT Android. LOL. This is sort of a trusty (wifi only) backup when traveling and the basics - web, email, text, even iMovie : ), cloud services. MSOFFICE - slowing down but still kicking'. And just like on my up to date phone, this update takes unusually long to install.
 
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but people seem to run years outdated software just fine.
RUNNING just fine? Sure. Are they exposed to potential exploits? Yes. Does it matter? It ONLY matters if they’re attacked. Some people seem to leave their house keys under their doormats just fine, but it’s only fine until someone checks under their doormat.
 
Seriously, did any one ever been attacked by these vulnerabilities? I keep hearing about them on updates, but people seem to run years outdated software just fine. I am not saying this is bad, just wondering if these vulnerabilities are all that serious.
Real hackers never let you know your phone was hacked.

If you're interested, you can check out Google Project Zero's blog for real cases here.
 
And this, folks, is why one should always stay up to date.
It's a tradeoff either way: don't update immediately and you expose yourself to security vulnerabilities. Update immediately and you have to deal with whatever bugs slipped in.
 
Seriously, did any one ever been attacked by these vulnerabilities? I keep hearing about them on updates, but people seem to run years outdated software just fine. I am not saying this is bad, just wondering if these vulnerabilities are all that serious.

Real-world attacks aren't normally done in a manner that will tell you you've been attacked. Ransomware is an exception, and pretty much the only one that tells you "you've been hacked".
After that, its hoping malicious software scans pick up something - but anyone competent will already have verified that their code doesn't trigger those detections. Once they do, those attacks stop being used because you do not want to tip off your target that you are trying to break in.

Some attacks are after information on your device. Whether thats passwords, bank account details, or confidential information on the upcoming iPhone. So they harvest that, and stay quiet. Some attackers will even purge themselves from your system once they're done.

But many also use your device as a staging ground for attacks against other systems. Systems that may otherwise be inaccessible.
Note: Those systems don't have to be of the same type. An iOS device could be used to gain access to an internal Linux or Windows server, or the control software of a Nuclear plant.
 
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Kudos for Apple/iOS - my iOS iPad Mini 2 (2014!) has an update from 12. to 12.5.1. Take THAT Android. LOL.

Don't be silly. Android devices get browser updates through app store like MacOS and not backwards way through OS updates. They're laughing at you that you have to wait for an OS update to update your browser and have to reboot your device. LOL
 
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Obviously. But these two were zero-day vulnerabilities.
This just means that the vulnerability was discovered by a researcher..... it is no worse than an unknown vulnerability which is exploited by an attacker......

People always panic at the word zero-day and usually those people are non-technical. Now if the vulnerability were being exploited in mass (e.g. via text message, etc.) or was wormable it would be a bigger issue.
As is custom, however, Apple did not go into detail about how the bugs are being used in attacks, as it doesn’t typically reveal this type of info until most of the affected devices are patched. --threatpost
We have to rely on Apple being honest and being exploited in the wild could literally be the fact that the researcher discovered it. Apple is no more honest that Google or Microsoft, their bottom line is what matters. But on the plus side, the fact that they care about security when it becomes known is a plus.... versus some companies never patching [looking at every Android phone vendor].
 
This just means that the vulnerability was discovered by a researcher..... it is no worse than an unknown vulnerability which is exploited by an attacker......
Until recently that's exactly what it was. We don't know yet for how long it has potentially been exploited before it was discovered. It's the worst kind of vulnerability.

People always panic at the word zero-day and usually those people are non-technical. Now if the vulnerability were being exploited in mass (e.g. via text message, etc.)
We don't know how widely it was exploited either.

We have to rely on Apple being honest and being exploited in the wild could literally be the fact that the researcher discovered it.
No.
 
Until recently that's exactly what it was. We don't know yet for how long it has potentially been exploited before it was discovered. It's the worst kind of vulnerability.


We don't know how widely it was exploited either.


No.
Please explain "no".

We literally have to believe Apple that it is being exploited in the wild since they aren't providing any further information other than "it's being exploited in the wild."
 
Please explain "no".

We literally have to believe Apple that it is being exploited in the wild since they aren't providing any further information other than "it's being exploited in the wild."
A researcher discovering a vulnerability is not an active exploit. We will soon get more details.
 
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