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iOS 15.4 Beta Suggests Apple to Support Push Notifications From Web-Based Apps
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Apple trying to undercut antitrust arguments here I see- well it seems like they are having an effect on its behavior.
At least with Apple, I know it’ll be easy for me to turn these notifications off.
They are doing new work now to implement a feature that wasn’t there before. Not having gotten around to something yet doesn’t imply an overt intent to not do it. Or maybe you have a different definition of the word “intentionally”?
Safari on macOS has had the ability to do notifications for a long time now. That doesn’t mean you have to say, “yes” when they ask if you want notifications enabled (and they aren’t able to send them unless you enable them). Presumably iOS will be the same way. So you shouldn’t get any more notifications than you do now (and if you’re getting too many now, why haven't you turned some of them off?).
The only concern I see is accounts for children or the technologically inept - folks who just click “yes” on everything.
Ok maybe “dragging their feet” would be the more correct term. Happy now? Whether they were doing it intentionally or not is up for debate, but Apple half-assed PWA support in iOS, while at the same time saying it was a reasonable alternative to putting an app on the App Store.
Yeah - I really hate that websites are forced to tell you that they collect all your data, and it’s even worse that we can actually have options to switch that data gathering off. Damn EU.
Mmmm... I get your point, but cannot 100% agree.
Each software editor like Apple (Safari), MS (Edge), Google (Chrome) and Mozilla (Firefox) implement features and APIs into their browser in order to support new functionalities. For example, supporting a new version of JavaScript, etc. But it's the W3C (web consortium) which is in charge to approve those changes (i.e. what a webpage can or cannot do so). It's a recommendation only, but that makes the web usable on any browser and OS.
Now, on the iPhone things are different because Apple forces everyone to use Web Kit (Safari basically) as they only allow browser based on that kit in the Apple Store. So they have a monopoly and can decide unilaterally w/o being compliant with W3C what they want to see implemented or not.
As for the present situation regarding the Notification API, I'm glad to see it only if that's a W3C approved feature and if Apple follows the W3C implementation. Otherwise, we literally end up with a web (app) that is specific to Apple and that's not how the web is supposed to work. It would be mimicking the behaviour of native app on the web. Mehhhh!!!
LOL. Understand you're joking, but nah they are apps. Real apps. Some apps you use are actually web app repackaged into native apps so that they can be delivered on the store. Why would you do that? Well, because apps are more visible to customers on the store. No ones going to DL an app if you give them an URL. People are accustomed to DL from the store. And there we're back to the initial issue: the store being so central.
At a previous job I designed, did front-end development and project managed an entire app primarily because web-based push notifications weren't a thing yet on iPhone. Glad to finally see this. There was no reason for it to be locked up in an app, although it probably was a bit more performant given that even though we were providing web views, all the web fonts and CSS were local and we were basically just querying a WordPress API that I built (before WP had an official API). However, having to put it into an app made it a lot more expensive as we had to contract with an outside development team. Although I ended up learning enough about app development to do smaller bug fix updates myself.
Good to see Apple being proactive. Implementing these features in Safari will protect them from lawsuits such as the one by dating apps in Holland and so on. "If you don't like the App Store, develop a web app."
They can also implement iMessage as a web app too - no one could say "I can't use iMessages from an android phone". You will be able, it's just going to be awkward, slow and ugly. It's a perfect situation for Apple - they DO provide a solution, the fact that it's not ergonomical nor beautiful is usually unimportant to courts.
They can also implement iMessage as a web app too - no one could say "I can't use iMessages from an android phone". You will be able, it's just going to be awkward, slow and ugly. It's a perfect situation for Apple - they DO provide a solution, the fact that it's not ergonomical nor beautiful is usually unimportant to courts.
1) Apple is almost certainly not going to be forced to port iMessage to Android as part of any antitrust settlement.
2) If they are, a half-assed, deliberately crippled version is not going to fly with the courts. They’re not morons, you know.
Yeah, you hit it on the nose - I can (mostly) turn them off. The only concern I see, like you, is for children (25%? of the population) or the technologically inept (99+% of the population).
The way notifications for every possible thing are going, in 20 years it won't be possible to get someone's attention without wearing your flashing LED bonnet, yelling in a Mickey Mouse voice through a megaphone, and injecting dopamine directly into their brain stem the moment they look at you. Thanks for helping to empower these indispensable sources of incredibly time-sensitive information, Apple. Society is doing great
Yup. My non tech literate family members are victims of this as well. I literally disabled notifications for Chrome on all of their devices.
They are already saying that other companies are free to use Safari for their apps if they don't like the AppStore policies. If they implement web version of iMessage that has full functionality, I don't think anyone can argue "but but but we want a NATIVE iMessage app for every other OS on the market cuz native apps are way nicer you know"