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I laughed when they threw the "Privacy" section into the iPhone announcement, but only mentioned two things (on-machine learning for Siri, and something else I've already forgotten) and no mention of the privacy-killing photo scanning they announced last month. I heard thats "under evaluation" and may not ship with iOS15, but I've gotten to the point where I no longer trust Apple.
I wonder why I even engage this sort of comment. Probably should stop.

1) If you don't trust Apple's software to do what they say, any conversation about the implications of what they say is pointless.
2) The only "scanning" was to be a local pre-hashing of photos that are exchanged with iCloud. They clearly stated opting out of iCloud Photos will avoid having any local photo hashes "reported" back to them.
3) If apple wanted to look at your photos in the iCloud, they could already. The content isn't encrypted in any way either in iCloud Photos or in iCloud backups. The main reason we think apple wasn't doing this is that Google/FB/Reddit/MS/Discord/Twitter/etc all disclose public numbers on how many accounts they report for hits on these hashes; and they have orders of magnitude more reported users and hence must be regularly trawling all their users' photos.
4) other cloud photo systems compute the same hashing of the photos in their cloud (vs on device).


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My interpreation of #2 is based on the top of page 10 "For each image to be stored in iCloud Photos, the device generates a safety voucher that contains image-related information". The second half about disabling iCloud Photos avoiding all "scans" (aka security voucher generation) is further based on various articles like https://www.imore.com/psa-apple-cant-run-csam-checks-devices-icloud-photos-turned
 
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iOS 15.0/iPadOS 15.0 to be released on September 20 then about a week later iOS 15.1/iPadOS 15.1 just like iOS 13.0/iPadOS 13.0 release back then and iOS 13.1/iPadOS 13.1 about a week later...

Just a guess but maybe... Just maybe...
 
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I wonder why I even engage this sort of comment. Probably should stop.

1) If you don't trust Apple's software to do what they say, any conversation about the implications of what they say is pointless.
2) The only "scanning" was to be a local pre-hashing of photos that are exchanged with iCloud. They clearly stated opting out of iCloud Photos will avoid having any local photo hashes "reported" back to them.
3) If apple wanted to look at your photos in the iCloud, they could already. The content isn't encrypted in any way either in iCloud Photos or in iCloud backups. The main reason we think apple wasn't doing this is that Google/FB/Reddit/MS/Discord/Twitter/etc all disclose public numbers on how many accounts they report for hits on these hashes; and they have orders of magnitude more reported users and hence must be regularly trawling all their users' photos.
4) other cloud photo systems compute the same hashing of the photos in their cloud (vs on device).


I don't speak for others but this certainly muddying the point. iCloud backups/photos are accessible to Apple, yes. In their cloud. That's not the problem.

Apple built in hashing on the device to look for illegal content. Its current limitations do not matter to me. I would not read a white paper on cattle cars and how they are only designed to move live stock. I damn well know they can move people too.

The problem for me is, I now have this device which at some point can treat my device the way NSA does with its Utah data center. I'm at a crossroads. I won't upgrade to iOS 15. I may go back to a simple cell phone. I'm not sure. I'm just one person that believes in strengthening civil liberties not eroding them.
 
Released today:

iOS 15 RC (19A344)
iPadOS 15 RC (19A344)
tvOS 15 RC (19J346)
watchOS 8 RC (19R346)
Xcode 13 RC (13A233)

Source
 
Will be updating my 12 Pro Max, but not immediately. iOS 14 caused standby drain on my device which was fixed only later on. I am in no hurry to update. Hope there won't be any battery drain once I update.
 
Quite surprised honestly considering the current state of the current PB (non-RC). Especially Safari still has many bugs but maybe they fixed it in the RC release? Downloading now so will know soon enough.
 
I laughed when they threw the "Privacy" section into the iPhone announcement, but only mentioned two things (on-machine learning for Siri, and something else I've already forgotten) and no mention of the privacy-killing photo scanning they announced last month. I heard thats "under evaluation" and may not ship with iOS15, but I've gotten to the point where I no longer trust Apple.
Why the lack of trust? Apple could have easily slid it in without no-one knowing but they were transparent. Them being upfront and honest made you lose trust? Do you think Google or MS would have announced this feature or cared more about their bottom line?
 
Why the lack of trust? Apple could have easily slid it in without no-one knowing but they were transparent. Them being upfront and honest made you lose trust? Do you think Google or MS would have announced this feature or cared more about their bottom line?
So if your wife confesses she's an axe murderer, you'd be ok with that. It isn't like she's the first axe murderer, right? And she was honest about it!
 
That's all of my Apple devices now on iOS 15/Watch OS 8, updates went nice and smooth as usual :)

2x 12 Pro Max, 2x iPad Pros (2021), 2x 4K Apple TV's and 4 Homepod Minis and 2x Series 6 watches updated, all updated flawlessly.
 
The problem for me is, I now have this device which at some point can treat my device the way NSA does with its Utah data center. I'm at a crossroads. I won't upgrade to iOS 15. I may go back to a simple cell phone. I'm not sure. I'm just one person that believes in strengthening civil liberties not eroding them.

Your civil liberties are not eroded by iOS 15 and NSA is not spying on you with iOS 15. If anything, your liberties are eroded by much more obvious and direct things, and Apple is probably the least of your problems, and a simple cell phone won’t change a thing.
 
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