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Not sure if this news is true. But recently I indeed saw my reminders deleted about 5-6 years ago reappeared. I mean, all of the deleted reminders. Still shocking me...... My best guess is how the iCloud handles save and delete, it's probably just saved a status. Thus, when there is a bug, the "deleted" reminders appears again.
 
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If this true and happens more often and under circumstances where it can proven and testified to this could be the end of Apple. This has the potential to end up being the largest most invasive tracking scandal in the history of computing.

It would mean that any data you process with Apple is tied to unique device modifiers, and the f.. up here is that iCloud somehow restores pictures to devices formerly associated with the data, regardless of any account/user superstructure that is imposed on a deeplinked web of data.

If that is what iCloud is then Apple is done.
 
This will make people think twice about giving their old phone to their parent when they are done using it.
It will Make People think twice about anything other than destroying it imo, given the world today and frequency of sharing very intimate images, and that’s just one issue, before talking about legal violations related to children.

I wonder how long it took them to pull the update. It was still available when I first read about this, and is no longer available.
 
Not sure if this news is true. But recently I indeed saw my reminders deleted about 5-6 years ago reappeared. I mean, all of the deleted reminders. Still shocking me...... My best guess is how the iCloud handles save and delete, it's probably just saved a status. Thus, when there is a bug, the "deleted" reminders appears again.

It is true, regardless of what Apple will "explain" when enough people are fed up with Apples overpriced bloated "privacy" products. When I updated my secondhand iPhone 14 to 17.5 suddenly random photos (NOT mine) started to appear, I have NEVER been to those places or met any of those people. So Delete DOESN'T really delete.

Apple is on thin ice and they deserve it, people worldwide are starting to question Apple's practices.
 
It is true, regardless of what Apple will "explain" when enough people are fed up with Apples overpriced bloated "privacy" products. When I updated my secondhand iPhone 14 to 17.5 suddenly random photos (NOT mine) started to appear, I have NEVER been to those places or met any of those people. So Delete DOESN'T really delete.

Apple is on thin ice and they deserve it, people worldwide are starting to question Apple's practices.
Are you able to prove this by posting evidence ? So far I haven’t seen any single proof for people claiming this
 
Not true, see

Google Cloud accidentally deletes $125 billion Australian pension fund​

 
Apple has never got cloud storage right. I have 4000 messages stuck in the cloud I cannot delete or see. Re-sync 1000 times they never appear, only one or two.

I have had 10Mb in documents stuck, and a Mail alias Apple couldn’t delete and I found the fix myself.

I do wonder if it’s time for Apple to close down its cloud storage and recommend a third party with integration, or better still just buy them and don’t touch anything!
 
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To clarify, one must also remove the device from your AppleID before wiping it…
Regardless it’s still a major breech if an unsigned in device is syncing photos. It defeats the whole purpose of security. Please don’t try to spin this. If true this will have do major damage to the brand.
 
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How is this physically possible? If you erase the device it erases the encryption key for the storage meaning nothing can be read, then it's resurfacing photos from where?

Your iCloud Photos are associated with your Apple ID. Which is why you can buy a new device, and have your existing photos downloaded to that device.

The photos themselves are not associated with a device ID, but your Apple ID is associated with one or more device IDs. I can imagine some kind of edge case where something, somewhere, messes up the association between a repurposed device and an existing Apple ID. But I'd want to see some solid evidence that actually happened.

I imagine it's much more likely that you could wipe a device, activate it again yourself, and have some deleted photos reappear.
 
So maybe the device ID is linked to the Apple ID? And this update awakens the old Apple ID from a slumber via the device ID?

Or maybe it was never truly erased locally?

I remember in the old days with HDDs you could write zeroes to the disk to ensure the data was truly gone. But I guess that doesn't happen now with flash memory?
Not an issue with flash memory AFAIK. But in the old days of HDDs it wasn't enough to simply overwrite existing data with zeros. The magnetic domains on the platter could still retain residual information that could be resurrected. For this reason, specialised disk erase applications were used to overwrite disk sectors multiple times with random data to erase any magnetic memory of what might have been there before.

An iOS device is truly erased locally when you hit the erase button, because all flash memory access is marshalled through hardware requiring an encryption ID. It takes seconds to erase the encryption ID, which is why Apple devices can get erased so quickly. Without the encryption ID, everything in flash memory is just random mush.

Obviously, a device erase doesn't kill off any information you have in iCloud, where the potential for fun & games remains.
 
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Apple has never got cloud storage right. I have 4000 messages stuck in the cloud I cannot delete or see. Re-sync 1000 times they never appear, only one or two.

I have had 10Mb in documents stuck, and a Mail alias Apple couldn’t delete and I found the fix myself.

I do wonder if it’s time for Apple to close down its cloud storage and recommend a third party with integration, or better still just buy them and don’t touch anything!
Same issue with messages which are stuck in the cloud, uses space and unable to delete. Would like to know what the fix was.
 
It is true, regardless of what Apple will "explain" when enough people are fed up with Apples overpriced bloated "privacy" products. When I updated my secondhand iPhone 14 to 17.5 suddenly random photos (NOT mine) started to appear, I have NEVER been to those places or met any of those people. So Delete DOESN'T really delete.

Apple is on thin ice and they deserve it, people worldwide are starting to question Apple's practices.


Your account was made today and within minutes of that you've posted this.
I'll take 'Things That Didn't Happen' for $1,000, Alex.
 
I totally disagree.
I figured you would.

The very definition of edge case scenario:

“In software development and testing, an edge case is a problem or situation that falls outside normal procedures and on the boundary of your operating framework. Essentially, when you test for an edge case you're checking how your software behaves under unexpected or rare conditions.”

Now I said a developer will account for every scenario they can.

- Imagination
- Motivation
- Experience
- Time Allocation

These all fit under the developer’s experience.

What a developer does not find is considered an edge case scenario. If the QA department does not find a particular scenario then end users will.
 
I remember some time ago (maybe 2017) people were getting random notes loaded from other user accounts when they tried to access their notes online. A lot of this stuff doesn't get reported widely or is brushed under the carpet. I saw a video, everytime the page was refreshed, someone elses notes loaded.
 
Same issue with messages which are stuck in the cloud, uses space and unable to delete. Would like to know what the fix was.
I found deleting stuff from settings>general>iphone storage>messsgaes seemed to clear SOME of the iClould space, but it dind't match up with the space shown under iCloud>messages in iClould. But it did reduce in both locations!??????
 
I totally disagree. Whether a developer catches edge case problems depends on a few things. In no particular order:
  • Imagination - You've really got to try hard to dream up new ways to break the code and all the entities it touches in the system. Some are better than others at understanding how users- or background processes might use apps, i.e. in unexpected ways. So they learn the hard way, which will tend to make their code more bullet proof in future.
  • Motivation - It's a matter of pride and professionalism. If you believe you were born to do this you do it right. That was me from the beginning of my career.
  • Experience - Inexperienced devs are at a disadvantage; they haven't seen enough yet to go looking for the type of trouble that can occur in production. "Confirmation bias" is in play for them: "well I ran it a few times and worked as designed for me". Elementary mistake.
  • Time allocated - Time pressures are a factor. You simply have to deal with this at every stage of your career and communicate effectively with your manager if you need more time. When you reach a senior level, management may actually listen to you!
As for me being angry? Nope. I'm just doing what a good analyst programmer always does, looking for the point of failure in the system. I believe the problem Apple is having with bugs is workflow-related, leading to inadequate testing which allows bugs to get into production and remain there over several releases. That is anathema to me.

Do they even have an in-house "user acceptance testing" phase? Or is that what the beta program is expected to provide? That's my best guess. If so that's just wishful thinking.

Also, "software entropy" is now in play for both macOS & iOS. They've both been around for a long time, a lot of mods, fixes, redundant code, outdated code, hard coding, and so on. Nothing that a total rewrite couldn't fix; the situation will continue to deteriorate incrementally otherwise, that's just plain logic.

iOS used to be a walled garden. Some big bugs were kept within the constraints of the walls. DMA required Apple to make fundamental changes to iOS. The changes broke the walls. The bugs are coming out.

Could this be the case?
 
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