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First, I am always concerned about downloading any software on to macOS and PC's. So is my employer.
I think the entire debate kinda falls flat once you bring in corporate property. Companies have different security requirements than individuals (for example, the place I'm working at has this really annoying anti-virus installed that significantly slows down our machines, but I can't remove it because it's not my computer to tinker with)
 
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haven’t seen a virus on any windows computers for years now

have never seen a virus on android or anyone’s i know android

if you’re getting viruses in the year 2024 you frankly deserve it because the new game is phishing

and any device/platform can get phished
 
Absolutely horrible.
The worst thing about mac is the need to remember which App you downloaded from the website. If you bought a mac and want to set it as a new machine, you have to find all of the apps to download. Where as on iOS you can just see the purchase history.

And no, it is not simply another choice for developers. A lot of developers don’t publish to the mac App Store. By supporting EU, it means you will lost the Apps you bought from App store sometime
That’s market freedom for you.

If developers leaves, then you pick something else or follow them depending on your values.

What did you do when Fortnite got removed? Did you panic about how you lost your purchase or did you shrug and move on?
 
My whole point is the Apps existed on App store, and new apps, will not be on App store, just like mac
Well that’s Apple’s problem to deal with.

Apps don’t exist on the AppStore for two reasons.
1: the rules are to restrictive
2: the store is terrible value to the developers

And apple could deal with it in two ways.
1: make the AppStore competitive and attract developers
2: Do nothing to attract developers, BUT make it the only way FOR developers to publish apps and customers to get apps on their Mac. Effectively monopolize the application distribution market for the Mac.

You can guess what option they went with.
 
uh no.

you asked how much is pure profit. you didn't say there is a profit. so again I ask, who is saying that apple is profiting off of 0.50 euros/user.
The half a euro they collect just because, since it’s applied to apps downloaded OUTSIDE the, apparently, incredibly costly app store? I guess pretty much everything of said .50€ is profit for apple.
 
Absolutely horrible.
The worst thing about mac is the need to remember which App you downloaded from the website. If you bought a mac and want to set it as a new machine, you have to find all of the apps to download. Where as on iOS you can just see the purchase history.

And no, it is not simply another choice for developers. A lot of developers don’t publish to the mac App Store. By supporting EU, it means you will lost the Apps you bought from App store sometime
If you need to remember which apps to download, I’ll be inclined to think you don’t really need them.
 
None of them is what Apple sold or promised when you bought your device.
Which brings me back to my point: why does Apple keep pushing for more control over what isn't theirs since the moment of trade (and that they aren't promising at that point)?
 
Developers need to be a member of the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more and must have an app with more than one million first installs on iOS in the European Union in the prior year ...

Is this criteria for real? If they are so confident with the App Store business features are so good for users and small, medium and large businesses ... why such a gag making such ability usable only for very large businesses ... and only after being App Store suppliers? Of course this is targeted to benefit only very large business such as Microsoft, Google, Spotify and so on ... basically a way to shut them up and keep the digital business freedom between Gatekeepers. The likes of TikTok and Facebook of course will not leave the App Store, heck the entire service is provided to them for absolutely free world wide.
 
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That's where the EU should have acted - if Apple is charging a fee for downloads from its app store, which are no doubt passed on to consumers, then the consumers should benefit from that fee. The EU should have required Apple to warranty the quality and security of apps in its app store, and provided an easy mechanism whereby iOS users could claim compensation if an app's quality is low (here's looking at you, Scopely) or privacy/security is not as advertised. Instead they chose to change Apple's very successful business model after lobbying by less successful and less competitive European companies. As if these companies weren't transferring the Apple charges directly to consumers, and as if now they'll reduce their app fees rather than, say, just keeping their prices the same and adding to their profits.... :rolleyes:

Mark my words: None of this will help consumers in the long run.
Eu acts when they get legal complaints. They don’t act with all knowing authority
Didn’t you get the memo? If it’s apple telling you what to do, it’s not paternalism, it’s apple making sure you get the best posible user experience.
Uh,Hu? It just happens to be “the best possible user experience” is that Apple decided. And for the best interest of the user. Perhaps look up the word paternalism
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Company only sold you the product for what it is at the moment of trade plus what is promised in the contract, nothing more or less. Smartphone is not a right in constitution for human.
Well yes it is in a sense.
In the European Convention
on Human Rights
Protection of property



Article 8

Protection of personal data

1. Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her.

2. Such data must be processed fairly for specified purposes and on the basis of the consent of the person concerned or some other legitimate basis laid down by law. Everyone has the right of access to data which has been collected concerning him or her, and the right to have it rectified.

Article 17

Right to property

1. Everyone has the right to own, use, dispose of and bequeath his or her lawfully acquired possessions. No one may be deprived of his or her possessions

Guide on Article 1 of Protocol No. 1
to the European Convention
on Human Rights
Protection of property
Updated on 31 August 2022
A. Applicability of Article 1 of Protocol No. 1 - "possessions"

Article 1 of Protocol No. 1 - Right to property

"1. Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions..."

HUDOC keywords

Possessions (P1-1-1) - Peaceful enjoyment of possessions (P1-1-1)

1. Concept of "possessions"

4. The concept of "possessions" in the first part of Article 1 of Protocol No. 1 is an autonomous one, covering both "existing possessions" and assets, including claims, in respect of which the applicant can argue that he or she has at least a "legitimate expectation". "Possessions" include rights "in rem" and "in personam". The term encompasses immovable and movable property and other proprietary interests.
 
But again, it is easier than having to setup a website to provide the downloads, have a place for people to write reviews, wire the payment and delivery. Oh and not to mention, it makes pirating easier, which eventually hurts the devs.

As a customer using iPhone, I want to use App Store exclusively. The EU laws will end it.

I have a separate Andriod phone to download apps not available on App Store, but I also want the convenience App Store provides so I use iPhone as my main. It is my choice, not the governments’
Right, but I don’t want to use the App Store exclusively and that’s my choice?
 
Now people in the EU can download apps with spyware and viruses in them, then get mad at Apple when their Apple ID stuff is stolen. Ill stick to the App Store myself.
All apps are still sandboxed by iOS, regardless of which app store you download an app from. Be better informed before trying to stir the pot next time.
 
Yes I do. Last time I “didn’t blink twice” I had malware on my Windows 10 system. I still regularly deal with clients that get ransomware because they downloaded something random.
The big difference is that even sideloaded iOS apps run in a sandbox, unlike on macOS or Windows. It's the sandbox that provides security, not App Review, which in my experience mostly checks your app for attempts to bypass Apple's 30% cut (lots of questions about business models etc.)
 
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If you need to remember which apps to download, I’ll be inclined to think you don’t really need them.
Perhaps, but it is an app that was paid for upfront nonetheless. I think in this regard, it's hard to argue that it's someone in the user's best interests to have to visit a dozen (or more) different websites in order to redownload the apps you use, vs being able to scroll through your purchase history in the App Store and tap on the ones you want to download.

This is also assuming you are still holding on to serial keys for apps like airbuddy, or you may find yourself having the purchase the same app again.
 
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