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iOS 17 Speculation Thread

MozMan68 said:
My point is, whether a mistake or not, there are a TON of people like me that no longer needed the full access to developer tools or never did. I used to just have to check apps from my team…but for years now, I just wanted early access to beta features.

Apple would have gladly taken my $99 with no proactive notification whatsoever of this change. Shady…

With all of the developer specific emails I received about making sure I had my subscription, how was this never mentioned?
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Apple probably doesn’t assume that most people that are part of the paid developer program are only there for the betas, so no, not shady. Paid developer accounts aren’t intended for buying just to use the betas, they have a lot of other features and tools as well. So I don’t think that this is shady at all. Do the paid developer accounts still have all the tools they paid for? Yes. They’ve just improved things a bit for people with the free accounts. Why should members of the paid accounts be notified about changes to the free accounts? That’s not really how anything is done. I could see emails being shipped out to free account holders informing them of the changes since they’re relevant to them, but it wouldn’t make sense to send it to people who don’t even have the type of account which is being changed. 🤷🏼‍♂️.
 
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MozMan68 said:
My issue is the lack of any sort of communication around this. I have a developer account and pay $99 a year for that.

Not one email to that account address mentioning the change? Knowing that 99% of the accounts most likely renew JUST before WWDC?

That’s just shady…
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While I agree that maybe perhaps they could have made mention, most people that pay the $99 are actually developing apps or they just have money to burn if they are just wanting free software a few weeks earlier than everyone else. So why not accept it. Helps their bottom line. 🙂

[Edit] @Kal Madda nailed it in post above.

Ansath said:
I think that actually the Appleseed invite might be the accident. Part of old mechanism and not disabled after the changes.

The general public that join the public beta might not be aware, or want to utilise, the newly free dev beta access.
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I was about to say the same thing. That would be an easy oversight verses all the extra work to re-invent the developer program, upload all the images to the free dev portal, etc. Especially since they have been working on reworking the beta/profile process for all these months. Also they could easily undo an accidental upload of images to the incorrect place within moments. Anyway makes for an interesting debate/speculation topic!
 
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One way or the other, we’ll find out in subsequent releases (17.1 and onwards) whether this was a mistake or not.

And my point about AppleSeed is not that it is a longstanding program — I know that — its why send out the invite this year if anyone who wanted to be part of the beta could do it the other way? And the AppleSeed invite was sent at 4:44pm Eastern Time and the first indication of the change from Apple was from @iSWUpdates on Twitter at 3:59pm.
 
gwhizkids said:
One way or the other, we’ll find out in subsequent releases (17.1 and onwards) whether this was a mistake or not.

And my point about AppleSeed is not that it is a longstanding program — I know that — its why send out the invite this year if anyone who wanted to be part of the beta could do it the other way? And the AppleSeed invite was sent at 4:44pm Eastern Time and the first indication of the change from Apple was from @iSWUpdates on Twitter at 3:59pm.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Honestly not sure, but like I said, I pay for a Dev Account yearly, and I receive emails about the AppleSeed Program (which was from old school Apple Developer Connect days). If I remember correctly, I signed up for the AppleSeed Program before the paid account, but I’ve received an email about the AppleSeed Program every year since.
 
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gwhizkids said:
One way or the other, we’ll find out in subsequent releases (17.1 and onwards) whether this was a mistake or not.

And my point about AppleSeed is not that it is a longstanding program — I know that — its why send out the invite this year if anyone who wanted to be part of the beta could do it the other way? And the AppleSeed invite was sent at 4:44pm Eastern Time and the first indication of the change from Apple was from @iSWUpdates on Twitter at 3:59pm.
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And many of us have pointed out that that likely is a mistake, forgetting to turn off the AppleSeed invites. It only requires one oopsy, namely, forgetting to turn off the AppleSeed Invites. Accidentally granting access to the Developer Betas to those who have the free Developer Account would require many mistakes to coincidentally happen all at the same time. Besides, perhaps the AppleSeed Invites aren’t a mistake, perhaps Apple didn’t see the need to stop sending those invites to those who are already enrolled. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Like I said before, if I pay for a “plus” subscription for a product, I generally don’t get emails about changes made to the “lite” version of that product, because it’s irrelevant to me. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
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Kal Madda said:
Apple probably doesn’t assume that most people that are part of the paid developer program are only there for the betas, so no, not shady. Paid developer accounts aren’t intended for buying just to use the betas, they have a lot of other features and tools as well. So I don’t think that this is shady at all. Do the paid developer accounts still have all the tools they paid for? Yes. They’ve just improved things a bit for people with the free accounts. Why should members of the paid accounts be notified about changes to the free accounts? That’s not really how anything is done. I could see emails being shipped out to free account holders informing them of the changes since they’re relevant to them, but it wouldn’t make sense to send it to people who don’t even have the type of account which is being changed. .
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This is where someone points out to me an announcement about free accounts…again…never saw that chart until someone found it after WWDC.

Again, they kind of just slid this in without letting paid developers know.

And while paid for access over the last few years (on and off) for early access, I was a paid developer prior to that, not so I could actually develop apps, but see how my team’s apps performed prior to release. I imagine there are a lot of folks that do this as well and not just for early access.

It will be interesting to see how this may affect the public beta program if at all.
 
MozMan68 said:
This is where someone points out to me an announcement about free accounts…again…never saw that chart until someone found it after WWDC.

Again, they kind of just slid this in without letting paid developers know.

And while paid for access over the last few years (on and off) for early access, I was a paid developer prior to that, not so I could actually develop apps, but see how my team’s apps performed prior to release. I imagine there are a lot of folks that do this as well and not just for early access.

It will be interesting to see how this may affect the public beta program if at all.
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Yea, but the point is, signing up for a paid dev account is for the full Dev access, Apple would assume anyone just legally wanting the betas for either early access or help with testing, would be on Public beta. Or other people testing within a firm would have their device on a paid developer account (as mine was for some years at my last employer)

They then recently, seemingly, decided it was too much hassle to try and block the ones illegally on the dev beta and this change solves their problem.

You’re seeing a slight against you by them, that’s not actually there. It’s not shady, it’s just they’ve made a change to the access for the free developer account, rather than the paid developer account.

The dev beta and public beta is now more like how Microsoft have the 2 testing rings for Windows, now.
 
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MozMan68 said:
This is where someone points out to me an announcement about free accounts…again…never saw that chart until someone found it after WWDC.

Again, they kind of just slid this in without letting paid developers know.

And while paid for access over the last few years (on and off) for early access, I was a paid developer prior to that, not so I could actually develop apps, but see how my team’s apps performed prior to release. I imagine there are a lot of folks that do this as well and not just for early access.

It will be interesting to see how this may affect the public beta program if at all.
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I observed the same, it was found about a day after WWDC start. Anyone signing up for dev portal access/renew if option not checked, saw nothing. Getting Appleseed participation emails never showed anything either. But it's now water under the bridge for us. 😀
 
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dannyyankou said:
I was wondering what was taking up so much space on my MacBook, and it turns out I had over 100gb or iPSWs in my downloads folder. I think I have a problem...
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Just be glad you aren't playing around with getting Windows Games to work on a Mac as some are using that CrossOver DirectX 12 Game Porting Toolkit. Today's PC games have huge storage requirements lately. Just latest PC CoD Modern Warfare with MP and campaign is 225 GB. D4 is about 90 GB. And someone today suggested that Apple allow ported games to utilize Apple Arcade. I kid you not. I guess a maxed out iPhone with 1 TB seems a tad limited. 😱
 
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Realityck said:
Just be glad you aren't playing around with getting Windows Games to work on a Mac as some are using that CrossOver DirectX 12 Game Porting Toolkit. Today's PC games have huge storage requirements lately. Just latest PC CoD Modern Warfare with MP and campaign is 225 GB. D4 is about 90 GB. And someone today suggested that Apple allow ported games to utilize Apple Arcade. I kid you not. I guess a maxed out iPhone with 1 TB seems a tad limited. 😱
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Hence the reason I installed 2 4tb drives in my systems. People have asked me is that overkill, I just say NOPE! Add in the 2 sata SSD for video editing and 8tb HDD (for now) and I have a bit of storage but not enough for my liking.
 
Realityck said:
Either that day or the 21st if it’s like last year. Not this week way too soon. 🙂
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That sounds about right. This is the first Developer Beta I’ve decided to hop on for. So far it’s been really stable for me, at least iPadOS 17 is. All of my other devices are running current versions of their respective OS, I heard enough people saying iPadOS 17 was stable that I decided to give it a try. So far I’m really liking some of the changes they’re making with iPadOS 17, I love the new Multitasking & Gestures menu in the Settings app, and I’m hoping they continue to expand it! 👍🏻. But with how stable this beta has been for me, I’m not sure that we really need to wait a whole other week for the next one, even though that’s likely how it will work.
 
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Ansath said:
All x.0 beta 1-2 periods have been 2 weeks since iOS 3.0, except iOS 10, which was 3.
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At first I didn't think you were correct, but checking back to last year and the year before it was 16 days last year (Monday June 6 to Wednesday June 22). In 2021, it was 14 days (Monday, June 7 to Monday June 21).

So my money would be on Monday-Wednesday next week.
 
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Kal Madda said:
That sounds about right. This is the first Developer Beta I’ve decided to hop on for. So far it’s been really stable for me, at least iPadOS 17 is. All of my other devices are running current versions of their respective OS, I heard enough people saying iPadOS 17 was stable that I decided to give it a try. So far I’m really liking some of the changes they’re making with iPadOS 17, I love the new Multitasking & Gestures menu in the Settings app, and I’m hoping they continue to expand it! 👍🏻. But with how stable this beta has been for me, I’m not sure that we really need to wait a whole other week for the next one, even though that’s likely how it will work.
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Thanks for pointing out the Multitasking and Gestures menu. I was not aware of that add. Is the Swipe Finger from Corner control also greyed out for everyone else?
 
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