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iOS 18.1 Beta 4 Expands Phone Call Recording and Transcribing to Select Older iPhone Models

This feature works in the UK (which doesn't seem to be mentioned in this article). I'm on a 15 Pro Max with iOS 18.0 and it just came up on my phone. This is underrated as a new feature. It's really quite impressive, works perfectly and is super useful IMO.
 
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CarAnalogy said:
The notification was inevitable. California, the only place Apple acknowledges as true reality, is a two party consent state. This is essentially required for them to avoid legal problems. I know it's not actually their problem, but it is California and they do have trillions of dollars everyone is trying to get a piece of.
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It's not about California, it's about the rest of the world - most places are 2 person consent.

Single person consent to record a two person (or more) conversation is not consent in any way shape or form.
 
jamesmcinerney said:
It's not about California, it's about the rest of the world - most places are 2 person consent.

Single person consent to record a two person (or more) conversation is not consent in any way shape or form.
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One can argue that, but many US states have decided that it is consent. It seems it’s split fairly evenly and there is no federal law. As far as I’ve always been told, it is state based.
 
So weird how you can't just save the audio file as an audio file. Why do we need to involve the notes app? How does that make any sense?
 
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CarAnalogy said:
One can argue that, but many US states have decided that it is consent. It seems it’s split fairly evenly and there is no federal law. As far as I’ve always been told, it is state based.
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By its very defiant consent is asking permission from another individual. Recording someone without their knowledge is not consensual in any way shape or form.

What the US states have done is legalized recording someone without consent, which most of the rest of the world would never do. It's a very strange law. Genuinely curious though, are there any other examples in the US of non-consent consent?
 
jamesmcinerney said:
By its very defiant consent is asking permission from another individual. Recording someone without their knowledge is not consensual in any way shape or form.

What the US states have done is legalized recording someone without consent, which most of the rest of the world would never do. It's a very strange law. Genuinely curious though, are there any other examples in the US of non-consent consent?
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It's not entirely non-consent. Zero party consent would be eavesdropping. One party consent means one person on the call knows it's being recorded.

I agree it's kind of weird. But I'm not a lawyer and certainly not an international one.
 
Will there be an option to disable the recording notification in areas where you aren't legally required to tell anyone you're recording?

I live in a single party consent country, and there are many reasons why you'd want to record a call without the other one knowing, to protect yourself and your rights
 
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I'm a newspaper editor/reporter and I have been using an iPad to record interviews while I'm talking with people on my iPhone. I always inform everyone at the start that I'm recording the interview to allow me to accurately report what they say in my story. Now that I know I can record a call with my phone alone, it will make the process a lot more streamlined and convenient for me!
 
jkev57 said:
According to the story, an audible statement that can be heard by everyone on the call will inform them they are being recorded.
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I deal with this stuff daily... It's not black and white. It really depends where you are and who's on that call...

One-Party vs. Two-Party Consent​

In the United States, laws regarding call recording vary by state:
  • Most states follow "one-party consent" rules, meaning only one person on the call needs to consent to the recording (typically the person doing the recording).
  • Some states require "two-party consent" or "all-party consent," where all participants must agree to be recorded.

Two-Party Consent States​

The following states require consent from all parties on a call:
  • California
  • Connecticut
  • Florida
  • Illinois
  • Maryland
  • Massachusetts
  • Michigan
  • Montana
  • Nevada
  • New Hampshire
  • Pennsylvania
  • Washington

Best Practices​

Even in one-party consent states, it's generally recommended to:
  • Inform all parties that the call is being recorded.
  • Obtain explicit consent from everyone, especially if participants are in different states.
  • Provide notification at the start of the call, such as "This call is being recorded".

International Considerations​

  • Canada requires consent from all parties on a call.
  • Many other countries like the UK, India, and Germany also require two-party consent.

Business Context​

For businesses:
  • Federal law allows recording with one-party consent.
  • There's a "business telephone" exception allowing employers to record calls on company-provided phones.
  • Obtaining consent helps protect against potential legal issues.
In summary, while laws vary, it's safest to get consent from all parties before recording any call, especially in a business context or when participants are in different locations.
 
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acgmph said:
I deal with this stuff daily... It's not black and white. It really depends where you are and who's on that call...

One-Party vs. Two-Party Consent​

In the United States, laws regarding call recording vary by state:
  • Most states follow "one-party consent" rules, meaning only one person on the call needs to consent to the recording (typically the person doing the recording).
  • Some states require "two-party consent" or "all-party consent," where all participants must agree to be recorded.

Two-Party Consent States​

The following states require consent from all parties on a call:
  • California
  • Connecticut
  • Florida
  • Illinois
  • Maryland
  • Massachusetts
  • Michigan
  • Montana
  • Nevada
  • New Hampshire
  • Pennsylvania
  • Washington

Best Practices​

Even in one-party consent states, it's generally recommended to:
  • Inform all parties that the call is being recorded.
  • Obtain explicit consent from everyone, especially if participants are in different states.
  • Provide notification at the start of the call, such as "This call is being recorded".

International Considerations​

  • Canada requires consent from all parties on a call.
  • Many other countries like the UK, India, and Germany also require two-party consent.

Business Context​

For businesses:
  • Federal law allows recording with one-party consent.
  • There's a "business telephone" exception allowing employers to record calls on company-provided phones.
  • Obtaining consent helps protect against potential legal issues.
In summary, while laws vary, it's safest to get consent from all parties before recording any call, especially in a business context or when participants are in different locations.
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If I don't hear the message, I will tell the person online that I'm recording the conversation. I don't live in a state where giving notice of a recording is required, but it's the ethical thing to do. And, yes, people should be aware of the laws requiring notice in their state because they could find themselves in serious trouble.
 
Hello Forums,
I’m having trouble connecting my Apple Pencil Pro to my M4 iPad. I would attach it, but it won’t pair. This is a possible bug with the 18.1. Anyone else having an issue? I just find it really odd because a hardware connected via Bluetooth should be able to read it.

thanks in advance.
 
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