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You think that’s gonna stop Google from gathering information about me? Google get still track me of I communication with people that use Google services
Just stay off the internet please. Also turn off your mobile phone, don't make any online purchases, get rid of your credit cards, don't leave the house, don't work, turn off your smart tv, don't drive, etc...
 
Both Google and Mozilla essentially stated that it is too costly to implement their own engines since they still need to maintain WebKit for the US. Maintaining both WebKit for the US and Blink/Gecko for the EU is cost-prohibitive. So unless the United States changes its laws, neither will implement their own engines.
US never will. Dare I say with the state of politics here, it’s more likely you’ll see individual states changing laws… like California used to do with car emissions.

Absolutely a nightmare scenario for Google and Mozilla.
 
What's the use case? Maybe rearranging icons like you previously could with iTunes?
For me, that feature is godsent (before I moved to iPad only recently). There are multiple apps/services that are only on iOS, and some only support 1 active login (i.e. banking apps, and most common; SnapChat).

What I often do:
- Open Tesla app to precondition my car.
- Bank apps to do bank stuff, skipping a full 2FA login on the web.
- Using a physical keyboard if I want to write longer sentences on various apps
 
Security? Yes.

Privacy? We all know Apple profiles us as much as Google, right? Rather than using it to sell easily-blocked ad-space though they use it to suggest more apps for you to buy and to sell you another iPhone. Apple also use your location to put out geo-targeted ads. Google don't get a free pass here but don't think Apple is some saintly company that just deletes all its incoming terabytes of user data out of the goodness of its heart.
No, we don't "all know Apple profiles us as much as Google" because that isn't true. This claim is a ridiculous example of bothsidesism or false balance.

Does Apple profile us? Yes. As much as Google? Not even close.
 
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Absolutely a nightmare scenario for Google and Mozilla.
Why a nightmare? Just because certain regions *allow* third party browser engines doesn’t oblige developers to *supply* their own browser engines to those regions unless they see a business case. The current WebKit approach will still work. The only thing that might force Mozilla/Google to supply engines for the EU is if a competitor produces their own browser. Which isn’t impossible considering the major browser engines have an open source version - and a market the size of the EU is worth competing for.

Meanwhile, if a couple of US states start implementing EU-like laws (or if a son-of-Epic anti-trust case against Apple actually sticks) then Apple will just have to cave in and allow these things US-wide.
 
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This is actually a 'third party app' situation I might find useful.

I'd jump at a Firefox native browser should it get released in a stable form.

The rest of the Usual Suspect apps are mostly good enough for me.
 
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Yeah - I think the confusion was that, at the time of the iPhone release, for most people Rich Web Apps primarily meant Adobe Flash, and Jobs was adamant at not supporting that (which would have required an Adobe plug-in for Safari). Android briefly supported Flash (Apple is doomed!!!) but turns out - apart from security concerns - it just didn't work very well and rapidly got dropped.

Browsers did support Javascript/DOM - but Microsoft Internet Explorer was still king on the desktop and was gratuitously incompatible with standards, which was one of the reasons why Flash became dominant. Modern "Progressive Web App" support is now vastly improved and more portable - although Safari now tends to be the problem child when trying to write portable web apps (Apple dragged their feet on some new 'standard' browser features) it's nowhere near as problematic as IE.

The death of Flash was a good thing in the long term, but directly after the iPhone launch and the early years of Android "state of the art" Javascript/DOM webapps couldn't really compete with native Apps.
Let's hope very soon we can get rid of all the "apps" and "store", to reach a very standard based environment.
 
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The EU is literally improving iOS to a great extent. Hopefully Apple will embrace these changes globally.
How?
"The EU" is merely passing laws not actually producing a better product. They are not "literally" doing anything to actually improve iOS.

When you can't innovate, legislate.
Or, set standards based on what is already Made in EU.
Just ask the EU smartphone manufacturing and software 'base', or the EU-protected EV industry.
 
No, we don't "all know Apple profiles us as much as Google" because that isn't true. This claim is a ridiculous example of bothsidesism or false balance.

Does Apple profile us? Yes. As much as Google? Not even close.
Both positions are correct and incorrect at the same time, until you have an administrative account and you check by yourself.

Or, thanks to EU, you can ask using your GDPR rights...

But until that day, both sentences are valid.
 
Let's hope very soon we can get rid of all the "apps" and "store", to reach a very standard based environment.
Sorry, that leads to "The Tragedy of The Commons" FAILS.
I'm very happy to have a curated to semi-curated appscape, and it's why I ditched Android.
There are no standards without somebody carrying a BIG STICK!
And, NO, I don't trust the EU bureaucrats to get it right, just like I don't expect ANY process without a bloody feedback mechanism to get things right.
 
Both positions are correct and incorrect at the same time, until you have an administrative account and you check by yourself.

Or, thanks to EU, you can ask using your GDPR rights...

But until that day, both sentences are valid.
That's nonsense. We aren't talking about Schrödinger's cat. Apple collects and stores less user information than Google for use in profiling.
 
Sorry, that leads to "The Tragedy of The Commons" FAILS.
I'm very happy to have a curated to semi-curated appscape, and it's why I ditched Android.
There are no standards without somebody carrying a BIG STICK!
And, NO, I don't trust the EU bureaucrats to get it right, just like I don't expect ANY process without a bloody feedback mechanism to get things right.
Ok, but bear in mind that the market is stronger than you.
 
Bad idea EU. Chrome is filled with tons of trackers
Yeah, because Chrome is the only alternative browser. It's not like there's Firefox with its own engine, Chromium-based browsers without trackers, Dillo (if it gets ported to mobile), etc.
 
Security? Yes.

Privacy? We all know Apple profiles us as much as Google, right? Rather than using it to sell easily-blocked ad-space though they use it to suggest more apps for you to buy and to sell you another iPhone. Apple also use your location to put out geo-targeted ads. Google don't get a free pass here but don't think Apple is some saintly company that just deletes all its incoming terabytes of user data out of the goodness of its heart.
It boggles my mind that people are so brainwashed by Apple's (great) marketing that they think they're not collecting truckloads of data and using it to make money.
 
Now the Chrome takeover will be complete, and we'll be right back to "This site works best with..." bullshìt of 20 years ago.
 
Just stay off the internet please. Also turn off your mobile phone, don't make any online purchases, get rid of your credit cards, don't leave the house, don't work, turn off your smart tv, don't drive, etc...
Fact of the matter is that browsing data is the hidden cost of a free-to-use internet.

Thankfully internet adverts are easily blocked.
 
Now the Chrome takeover will be complete, and we'll be right back to "This site works best with..." bullshìt of 20 years ago.

If "Chrome", and by Chrome I assume you mean Chromium/Blink, does "take over" then it will be because iPhone users chose it; instead of being prevented from doing so.

The DMA is also requiring a browser choice screen during initial setup of Android devices which could result in more people choosing browsers/engines other than Chrome/Chromium/Blink as the default.

It's unfortunate Apple doesn't want to try to complete more in the browser market by offering Safari on Android, ChromeOS, Windows, etc. devices.
 
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The only one who will maybe release one is Google. Anyone else doesn't have the money to keep 2 apps up to date
 
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