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Mail does not need overhaul, it needs bug fixes. Please, please, please fix the bugs like rules not being executed reliably, messages in threads not loading, etc.

Mail needs the option to access shared mailboxes on Office365 / Exchange.
And the mail rules needs more granular rule options. Back in the years of MS Entourage I could do much more than with Mail or even Windows Outlook.

I've looked at several alternative email applications, but none of them are as clean and without strings attached as Apple Mail is. The worst are Outlook and Gmail.

I wish that companies would stop using Office365 or Google Enterprise. Outsourcing to them means giving away sensitive data.

But... if Apple does overhaul many of its standard apps, this means I will wait for at least iOS 18.1 until all the new bugs are known.
 
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Bloomberg's Mark Gurman today said that iOS 18 will "overhaul" many of Apple's built-in apps, including Notes, Mail, Photos, and Fitness.


To overhaul means to undergo extensive review and repair yet when the term is used in technology predictions it merely means to change, however slight. How nice it must be to work in a discipline where there is no accountability beyond properly conjugating verbs.
 
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And really - aside from obvious bugs - Apple Mail needs to be bought up to speed like its many compeditiors and now conventionally accepted UI where Calendar & Contacts are intgreated into the Mail app. Having three separte apps for this these days is rather primitive and unnecessary.

Re. Notes, well that's fairly useless and I don't see that will or can change much left up to Apple. Microsoft's free OneNote has being doing that brilliantly for donkey's years.
 
Make sure automatic update is turned off and give other numpties 6-months to complain about iOS18 before turning it back on again.
 
New useful features are always welcome.
But could you, Apple, PLEASE fix the iMessage bug where whichever photos are selected and deleted, only the last photo gets deleted???
It's been like this for YEARS!!!
I even sent multiple feedbacks.
And since you are at it, a little button to "delete all" would be nice, instead of letting me manually select each photo one by one!!!
 
Since it’s coming from Gurman we can safely say that Notes, Email, Photos and Fitness WILL NOT receive update. I don’t even trust that Gurman’s surname is Gurman.
Uhhh, Gurman is one of the more accurate and long-tenured leakers out there since his days at 9to5mac. He’s usually pretty close.

On topic, I’d like to see them de-couple the core apps from the OS and update them via an app update rather than needing a whole OS update
 
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They should fix scrolling in the Notes app instead (on both iOS and macOS). It’s just terrible in longer notes.
This!!!

Also, I noticed some serious bug in both notes and mail apps, where sometimes whatever I write is displayed incorrectly, like some sentences / words written twice, overlapping other sentences. I mean, a random mess.

I can't be the only one!!
 
Mine struggles as well, what would you like to see new in the app though?
Just curious, in what way does yours struggle? I have about 1.7TB of photos and videos in mine, and can't say I've ever had an issue. I also have it all backed up to Google Photos and that struggles to load it after a while.

Genuinely just curious?
 
And really - aside from obvious bugs - Apple Mail needs to be bought up to speed like its many compeditiors and now conventionally accepted UI where Calendar & Contacts are intgreated into the Mail app. Having three separte apps for this these days is rather primitive and unnecessary.

Re. Notes, well that's fairly useless and I don't see that will or can change much left up to Apple. Microsoft's free OneNote has being doing that brilliantly for donkey's years.
Ah, like three separate apps for syncing podcasts, music, and videos. So all we iTunes users are still blazing the trail!
 
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I just hope they don't screw it up - forcing conversations, adding AI composing, or killing the preview window.

Or clone gmail...talk about a disaster.

Now what would be nice is to put all the darn data files in a single place so you can easily manually migrate from one machine to another.
 
All the standalone applications should be on AppStore and updated regularly without needing a major OS upgrade to gain new features. I mean am I being naive or is it not rocket science…
But then they couldn’t announce them as new “features” when a new os hits.
 
Mail does not need overhaul, it needs bug fixes. Please, please, please fix the bugs like rules not being executed reliably, messages in threads not loading, etc.
Yes, it does. Better integration with labels and colors, rules, gmail style keyboard shortcuts would all be very welcomed improvements.
 
I wish Apple would clean house with their software department. They never ‘fix’ anything and just break something else with each update. Truly incredible one of the leading tech companies in the world and they can’t ever get it right. Get some new talent in there that can do the job properly.

It's not the talent, it's the management. Happens to every big company. Between meetings and metrics and all the other **** corporations think is so important, nobody actually has a chance to fix bugs. It's not on the corporate vision board.
 
Interface across all built-in apps is poorly managed. Each app has its own set of design language and user journey, completely breaking what the original iPhone OS delivers – ease of use, low learning curve and high aesthetics
 
All the standalone applications should be on AppStore and updated regularly without needing a major OS upgrade to gain new features. I mean am I being naive or is it not rocket science…
You mean like on Android? They should have copied this from Android a long time ago.
 
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Apple stock apps shouldn't need to wait for a new iOS version to receive major updates or fixes. OS updates should deliver new features and hardware utilization not shuffle/consolidate some buttons around and call it new.
If the remove first-party apps from the OS updates, then the OS updates will be entirely updates to Emojis then :)
 
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