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Apple Watch models sold prior to mid-January 2024, and anywhere outside of the U.S., were never impacted by the ITC's order and thereby still have the original Blood Oxygen app, with sensor data measured, calculated, and viewable on the Apple Watch directly. The feature was first introduced on the Apple Watch Series 6 in 2020.
Not accurate. I own a Series 6 watch that went back to Apple in October 2024 to replace a faulty battery that popped the screen out of the case. When it returned, it was not my watch but another they requalified as of same quality, except it came with the Oxygen readings disabled. And now, it too was re-enabled, via the Health app. Therefore, models sold prior to mid-Jan 2024 were impacted under certain circumstances.
 
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It has to sync the data up to the iPhone before it will show the latest results by saying "Hey Siri, show me blood oxygen results"

Masimo definitely lost here. They proved their patent is nothing more than an obstruction. Not cheering for big companies but I'm glad I can use the sensor I paid for last year with this workaround.
 
It has to sync the data up to the iPhone before it will show the latest results by saying "Hey Siri, show me blood oxygen results"

Masimo definitely lost here. They proved their patent is nothing more than an obstruction. Not cheering for big companies but I'm glad I can use the sensor I paid for last year with this workaround.
Can’t wait to hear Masimo’s official response to Apple’s Workaround! They waisted $200 million in legal fees going up against juggernaut Apple 🍎
 
If you are running the beta, you should have access to the revised feature.
My Watch 10, running the new watchOS 11.6.1, had the revised features (ability to take readings using the app and the watch periodically taking them in the background) start working as soon as I updated the OS. Don't need to install the beta for that. Still doesn't show the results on the Watch, but it does in the Health app on the iPhone.
 
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Can confirm that iOS 26 Beta 7 and WatchOS 11.6.1 do work together and blood oxygen is properly appearing in my health app after running an ECG.
 
If a person is told by their doctor to use an AW to monitor SpO2…they should immediately find a new doctor.
And if a “serious” athlete is using an AW to monitor SpO2….they should immediately stop considering themselves a serious athlete.
SpO2 readings…even with Massimo’s best sensor, are widely impacted by several factors…respiratory effort, skin temperature, circulation etc.
Any person…athlete, doctor, nurse, paramedic etc that relies on an SpO2 reading for clinical decisions is a complete moron.
SpO2 data is simply a “snapshot” that is given minimal weight amongst other clinical data…but most importantly…objective clinical presentation of an individual.
While I do appreciate the on-device SpO2 capabilities of all my AW devices….i also know it’s essentially useless….I learned this very early on in my 24 year medical career.

Typical elitist garbage and also four logical fallacies (Black & White, No True Scotsman, Argument from Authority and Straw Man).

Either you need a medical grade device or it’s useless. Nobody would consider the ECG feature of the Apple Watch as medical grade yet there’s documented cases of it saving people’s lives.

Either you’re a high level/Olympic athlete or you’re a nobody.

Your position assumes (wrongly) that it’s impossible to have a middle ground where something fits a range of users outside your extreme positions
 
Typical elitist garbage and also four logical fallacies (Black & White, No True Scotsman, Argument from Authority and Straw Man).

Either you need a medical grade device or it’s useless. Nobody would consider the ECG feature of the Apple Watch as medical grade yet there’s documented cases of it saving people’s lives.

Either you’re a high level/Olympic athlete or you’re a nobody.

Your position assumes (wrongly) that it’s impossible to have a middle ground where something fits a range of users outside your extreme positions
Where to start…but I’ll just got to the last of your rant….never said it’s impossible to have a middle ground…had you paid attention…you would have read that my response was direct to the original comment of doctor and athlete.
PS - Your opening statement indicates lack of knowledge…hence the rest of your rant.
PS - Please send me a message as soon as you hear of an AW SpO2 saving a life!!!!
 
How did this affect Android users who have an Apple Watch? Was it disabled for them too? :rolleyes:
It was disabled for everybody in the U.S. on the affected Apple Watches. This fix would have zero benefits for any Android user who chooses to use an Apple Watch, since the Android: a) Can't connect with the Apple Watch, and b) Doesn't have the Apple Health app to do the on-device calculations.

Are there really Android users who choose to use an Apple Watch? It seems pretty futile to me, as the workaround to activate it in the first place seems pretty tedious, and the watch is severely gimped without an accompanying iPhone.
 
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So if it was this easy to implement another way of measuring blood oxygen without violating Masimo’s patent then what does that say about the original patent?
The patent was for a "device that ..." Apple got around this technically by building two devices, one to collect data and one to analyse and store the data. It is a legal trick that only works for Apple, where every watch must be paired with a phone. Apple's workaround would not be usable by others. Every other company simply pays a license fee.
 
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The patent was for a "device that ..." Apple got around this technically by building two devices, one to collect data and one to analyse and store the data. It is a legal trick that only works for Apple, where every watch must be paired with a phone. Apple's workaround would not be usable by others. Every other company simply pays a license fee.
Couldn’t Samsung do that Workaround too with their Watches paired with their phones?
 
Apple probably don’t want to make a deal to set the precedence
Masimo needs to make a patent license deal with Apple to recoup that $200 million in Legal fees they had to spend in court. Masimo should say to Apple why do a Workaround when you can have it directly.
 
Lots of confusion about what this reworked feature is, how it works, and why it had to be this way/how we got here now. I'll summarize:

Masimo sued Apple, and mostly lost, but the jury was hung instead of coming to a decision (1 juror out of 7 decided for Masimo). Apple kept selling watches with the SpO2 feature until Masimo got the ITC to agree to an import ban, which is not as easy to appeal because it's through regulators, not the judicial system. Apple did appeal, but were unsuccessful, so they had to remove the SpO2 feature from new watches sold after a certain date, which they did in software. Apple also tried to negotiate with Masimo, but Masimo reportedly asked far too much (rumors of $100 per watch went around, but I cannot verify that) to license the patent.

Fast forward to recently, the ITC made a decision recently that clarified how Apple could implement the feature differently in order to avoid the ban. Before this decision, there was no allowable option for Apple to re-implement blood oxygen sensing in the watch. The new rule allows Apple to use the sensors in the watch to collect and send the necessary data to an iPhone, and it has to be processed and shown there, but not on the watch. Apple didn't "wait" to implement this feature for no reason, it had to be explicitly allowed first.

As a patent attorney myself I’ll say that Masimo likely has a strong case for suing their patent attorneys for malpractice if this sort of what’s know as “joint infringement” stuff with the claims wasn’t explicitly mentioned.

It’s stuff like that which keeps my up at night as they say, and why some inventors think that they can write patent applications themselves… while technically true, the end result can be what a cantankerous well know attorney who led seminars called expensive but ugly wallpaper — yeah, you got a patent, but it’ll be easily designed around (as frankly seems to be the case here) and thus avoided.

Specifically, you want to have claims that are written in such a way that they don’t have to all be performed in a particular place, by a particular party, or on a particular device. Being able to what is known as “working around” a claim by simply shifting where the functionality is performed is the hallmark of an application and that was poorly drafted and/or “prosecuted” (I.e., working with the patent office to get it allowed to issue as a patent).

Often the different devices/places/etc. are used or made by different parties, hence the nomenclature “joint infringement.” While one party can still be “contributorily” infringe the entire claim, it’s not as useful for many purposes.

I’m not familiar with the ITC in particular, but do know that it’s indeed a strange beast, existing in parallel with typical courts which are “Article 3” courts that are part of the judiciary under the Constitution.

The ITC is completely in the executive branch. Its decisions are “appealable” (not technically the correct terminology if memory serves) to the President, and in this case then-President Biden did not “reverse” (again not the technically correct terminology).

With the way that Tim Apple is able to play Trump, if this had all occurred the first time he was president, my money is on the ITC having been reversed. My knowledge of the ITC is sufficiently low that I don’t truly understand why he couldn’t re-review it now. I’m guessing tho that it’s impossible… Apple pays top dollar for their litigation counsel, who would’ve already done this if possible.

Patents in the courts these days are actually of limited value (sadly for me personally). The current makeup of the appellate court — the Federal Circuit — is such that particularly with anything that could be perceived as functional claiming, the patents are held “subject matter ineligible” and deemed “invalidated.”

One case that I personally thought the Supreme Court would take up by “granting cert,” but didn’t, involved a car axel. Its patent was held as “abstract” and thus ineligible by the Federal Circuit. I get why based on how overly broadly the claims were in hindsight years before the law had changed (a weird quirk in US common law…), but their should have been backup “dependent” claims that would have been valid.

That said, the appellate court ruled that the claims merely were an application of a mathematical formula known as Hooke’s Law I believe — even though the claims didn’t mention any math let alone this law, which expresses a natural phenomenon or scientific law or principle.

Anyway, probably a tl;dr for most, but if you wanted a deep dive, well there you go…
 
As expected. Glad that it is back and also that it will be available on the new watches coming out next month.
 
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Serious athletes aren't using an Apple Watch as their main SpoO2 device.

I competively run. Show up at any race >5k and notice about 4/5 of the runners are wearing a Garmin, or just wearing a stopwatch.
Ive been a competitive runner for ~17 years now. I, and many others, wear AW. 4/5 is waaaaay off. Don’t speak for others.
 
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I had an idea about the blood oxygen sensor. They’re not allowed to display the results on the Apple Watch during a blood oxygen reading, but instead the calculations are performed on the iPhone. Why doesn’t Apple just have the phone perform the calculations and then transmit the results back to the watch? Then technically the Watch will only show you the result that was done on the phone. 🤔
 
Ive been a competitive runner for ~17 years now. I, and many others, wear AW. 4/5 is waaaaay off. Don’t speak for others.

I have been for 30 years and I'm not speaking for anyone, but the fact is if you go to races you see a lot more Garmin than Apple Watch.

The new (old) thing is to go back to a standard non-GPS stopwatch. I'm seeing that more and more on my trail runs.
 
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Are there really Android users who choose to use an Apple Watch? It seems pretty futile to me, as the workaround to activate it in the first place seems pretty tedious, and the watch is severely gimped without an accompanying iPhone.
Is it even possible to set it up without an iPhone?
 
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