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What they didn't cover is the fact if you send to a group of people, one recipient may be using an iOS device with iMessenger, and the other may have another phone and they will receive the message as a SMS/MMS.

BBM will only send to another Blackberry phone through BBM. SMS is another app.

You can FORWARD an entire BBM converstation (rename it too) to SMS, or EMAIL, or a direct PIN message (similar to MMS+email but direct to a device & outside of the BBM app).
 
The Blackberry platform is now even more irrelevant

Really?! Ask a BNSF employee on a GANG or their GANG supervisor!! See what happens when a crew try's to rob a BNSF train car ... see how far you get - after avoiding being shot! Remember BBM is not only real-time but is coded securely and has yet NEVER BEEN HACKED and accessible by Police court order if the situation is high enough (this situation warrants that).

iMessage relevance:
Share a cloud based calendar to chat members, content & alerts within!
Keep shared pictures/videos/voice memos from iOS users' content (maybe a new camera roll called "iMessage Book" or something much better named).
Allow to send location via iMessage (this maybe already capable) - and even a route to where YOU are that is updated when the recipient receives your map location can automatically pin-point where THEY are and create a map to you: walk/transit (bus/streetcar/subway)/car.

^ THAT is power and relevance - corporations would LEAP without hesitation. Right now I've deployed 4 iPads (2 gen 1, and 2 gen 2) and users are ecstatic but figuring out apps that work for the mining company is key. The PlayBook didn't even last 4 hours in our VP if IT's hands ... iPad 2 is rocking a full week strong!!! :apple:
 
I wouldn't have a blackberry agai if I got one for nothing. Fiddly keyboards. Quite simply, it looks dated
 
Does iOS 5 also include sent and read receipts for SMS?

iPhone is the first phone that I have had (had 7 phones over 10 years previous to my iPhone 3G) that doesn't do this.

I do get a popup saying the message has sent to my carrier and how much credit I have left (I pay £10 a month prepay), but not to the person I sent it to, and certainly not when they have read it.
 

Really. Only thing that is helping RIM is inertia. Their products are not competitive, and they are basically about to follow Nokia in their corporate fortunes. But hey, maybe RIM could add few more CEOs to their roster, that just might turn the company around!
 
Does iOS 5 also include sent and read receipts for SMS?

iPhone is the first phone that I have had (had 7 phones over 10 years previous to my iPhone 3G) that doesn't do this.

I do get a popup saying the message has sent to my carrier and how much credit I have left (I pay £10 a month prepay), but not to the person I sent it to, and certainly not when they have read it.

no.
 
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As MobileMe brings the free cloud all your contacts and calendars and emails are easily transferred or copied to any iOS device, so the advantage of the PIN is no longer an advantage/difference.
It was not free before but now it is.
SMS are like phone calls? These instant messages are something else? Nothing different from the email concept, except the transmission method?speed of delivery? and the notification interface.
 
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You have FaceTime, and can use Viber or Skype.
 
Kevin for Crackberry.com is legend and it is a good site and a good community.

RIM has some very loyal supporters, but they need to do better for them.
 
There's an option to disable read receipts for your messages so it's possible people can't see whether or not you've read it lol

I like iMessage because I need the person's phone number.. I don't need a PIN. I don't need anything from them but 1 thing.. the rest is seamless and is automated. Win for Apple with that.

read receipts are off by default, you have to choose to turn them on.

BBM rely's on PIN for a reason. You either archive your PIN on a MicroSD or to their "cloud" called the NOC. Circumstances occur where your device changes or your provider is being a greedy bitch or you moved. This shouldn't affect friendships or communications. When you switch providers in a hurry your number will NOT transfer until after 24hrs minimum (you have temporary). However if you move to another area code or province/state/country ... your number is PERMANENTLY changed. If said friend forgot YOUR number ... iMessage no longer works. BBM prompts you based on your email address (not isolated to the free provider based one) and BOOM your contacts if saved to the NOC (load from MicroSD alternative) ... and ALL your friends are updated and get your new PIN automatically!!

you should really research before you post. iMessage is based on your apple ID and your mobile number, so even if you change numbers, it can use your apple ID instead, so your scenario is made moot.
 
Multiple Devices With Same Apple ID

We have 2 iPhones and 2 iPod Touches that use the same Apple ID. How will this work?
 
The BlackBerry UI hurts my eyes. Small screen and fairly complicated.
BB'm curious if people move on to the iPhone.

Now wait till iMessage cross platform!
 
It seems like the point of this thread is for all the iPhone users, that are jealous of the Blackberry friends, to gloat now that they have a similar feature.

As of right now, I'll stick with BBM over imessage anyday. In the future, I assume iMessage will be much better but that is only because RIM has been lacking in the "innovation" category for about a decade.

Just thought I should note that I carry both an iPhone and a Blackberry everyday.
 
Here's the differentiator: iPad, iPod touch *and* iPhone will be able to use iMessage. Also, you pay X amount extra per month for the BB data service, whereas iMessage will not require some ridiculous upsell just for their service.

You don't need a cellphone to use iMessage, either.

Nice one, Apple! :)
 
We have 2 iPhones and 2 iPod Touches that use the same Apple ID. How will this work?

You can use different email addresses to associate with your iPod touch/iPhones. You can all have the same iTunes Store Apple ID and different iMessage ones (ex. Your personal GMail for iMessage).
 
iOS 5 just gave me a big reason to buy an iPod touch 4G; I can text/MMS my two best friends, who have iPhone 4, without ANY charges... EVER.

Thanks Steve, you're remarkable.
 
^ Someone who has NO IDEA what their talking about. The principle is the same but its MUCH better.




^ yet again someone whom doesn't KNOW what their talking about.

BBM:
IM - instant messaging, plain & simple
IM - Real-Time READ/DELIVERED receipts which is AUTOMATIC not configured.
IM - Send Pics/Videos/VoiceNotes ..
Scaleable - this has been proven in over 25 million - to - 37 million users!
Check on Tube with Kevin testing how many ppl can be added to BBM ... it went crazy and over thousand users before getting a hiccup.

Groups! Join without a contact list, share Calendar with Group members, pictures, voice notes, videos - which are SEPARATE from your OWN!

This works on GPRS, EDGE, 3G, and WLAN!

ALERTS are configurable for importance ... MANY corporations rely on BBM and BBMGroups:
BNSF
IBM
BMO
TD
CIBC
RoyalBank
american deaf association (haven't worked here)

^ I know because I've worked at them all and have helped documentation for ALL along with real world use.

I like where Apple is going with this; but it needs to grow in power.

You guys are worse than analysts, knock features of a platform without fully understanding or knowing its true power just cause the analysts, investors, and fanboy's follow along like ... well ... Lemmings!

http://www.slideshare.net/chrissparshott/apple-iphone-and-ipad-at-ibm
 
Seems the topic has been a good debate.

Personally, as someone who has used both devices and platforms for a little while, I must admit BBM is one of the most appealing features in the communication world than anything else. Apple has obviously seen the possibility with what this type of service can offer and decided to dip their foot in the water.

Blackberry definitely did it right- group chats, group rooms, etc., but like previously mentioned it seems their "innovation" factor has been at a stand still. With Apple trying to get involved, I could see iMessage really move ahead.

Either way, the competition is better for us consumers in the end and I am happy about that.
 
I used to be a diehard berry user. Until I got fed up of all the BS of a crappy device. Most of my friends used berries too and BBM was the only thing keeping them. I personally got over it fast and slowly but surely people I know are switching to iPhones.

You can be a fanatic all you want but the world is realizing they are stagnant. Sales are down and how is RIM doing again?

I can't wait for iMessage because you know if Apple's going to do something they will do it right most of the time
 
Really. Only thing that is helping RIM is inertia. Their products are not competitive, and they are basically about to follow Nokia in their corporate fortunes. But hey, maybe RIM could add few more CEOs to their roster, that just might turn the company around!

Clueless. You have no understanding of the wealth Nokia has or their patents or relavance. Nokia is making huge internal moves and are accelerating their change, the complete opposite of RIM.

inertia can continually be applied to an already moving force -don't forget that. RIM has a strong staple and for the past 5yrs ppl like you have stated that they'll go under - just like Nokia for the past 1/2yrs. Just cause you like nothing about either company doesn't mean that their financing or cash reverses or development has stopped.
 
read receipts are off by default, you have to choose to turn them on.



you should really research before you post. iMessage is based on your apple ID and your mobile number, so even if you change numbers, it can use your apple ID instead, so your scenario is made moot.

when you can show me the proof of that WILL work in my situation then it still stands. Apple hasn't shown or written anything to that effect, yet.
 
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