Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
But how will i be able to sell my old iphone?

Need some more details because i need to be able to sell my phone when i buy a new version.
 
This may be a silly suggestion but how hard would it be to develop a LoJack type chip or locator for the phone? It would stay on even if the phone was shut off or put in airplane mode.
 
Some of the people in this thread really seem to be taking this to a level it was never meant to go. Of course phones can still be sold for parts. Of course this won't thwart 100% of theft. The point is to make it less enticing for a thief to steal the phone. I think this is a brilliant idea, one that I have been saying they should do (and they actually implemented it much like I expected they would) for a while now. I am going to reserve judgement selling hardware to a third party as Apple made no mention of how or if they are going to make this easier for the consumer.
 
Some of the people in this thread really seem to be taking this to a level it was never meant to go. Of course phones can still be sold for parts. Of course this won't thwart 100% of theft. The point is to make it less enticing for a thief to steal the phone. I think this is a brilliant idea, one that I have been saying they should do (and they actually implemented it much like I expected they would) for a while now. I am going to reserve judgement selling hardware to a third party as Apple made no mention of how or if they are going to make this easier for the consumer.

As my old uncle Bill, the locksmith, used to say, "Locks are to keep honest people honest."



Michael
 
might work at first...still skeptical

This also benefits apple as people will be more cautious about buying used devices and once horror stories start circulating of people buying devices on craigslist/kijiji that won't activate it will effectively kill the used market quite likely

Until someone learns how to hack it...
 
Point well noted but just because margins will be pushed down due difficulty selling the device as a whole, I can hardly believe that they will stop stealing them altogether.Well networked fences will definitely look to international gray markets for second hand parts at wholesale prices.

There are also several other points to take into consideration.

Users that have not activated find my iphone
Junkies/Thiefs that do not read MacRumors or relevant Apple stuff site
Potential buyers not reading MacRumors or relevant Apple stuff site

It will take a long time to actually consider apple devices as a no-go for fishy second hands

Fair points, especially the often mindless motivation for theft [that will never stop] which I debated previously on here. However I think it will effect resale enough to prevent the 'guy-down-the-pub' selling them on, which is something, better than nothing for me.
 
Is that different than SIM lock that is supposed to prevent activation of a phone if a new SIM card is inserted? Similar idea, harder to crack?
 
No. After you erase the phone you sign back in with your ID and then let your buyer carry on with the registration. This is what I think.

Not even that, this whole process only applies when the iPhone was 'lost and erased' remotely, not when you have it in your posession.

Your phone will still be erased and reset as usual
 
oh come on Apple, where's the promised self-destruction mode that pulverizes my precious iPhone in the hands of the criminal scum? :(
 
This also benefits apple as people will be more cautious about buying used devices and once horror stories start circulating of people buying devices on craigslist/kijiji that won't activate it will effectively kill the used market quite likely

That is assuming Apple removes the ability to remove a device from Find my iPhone, and, or un-register a device from an iTunes account.

It's still too early to judge / worry about such things, as the details haven't been released yet, nor is iOS 7 officially available to the general public.
 
Fair points, especially the often mindless motivation for theft [that will never stop] which I debated previously on here. However I think it will effect resale enough to prevent the 'guy-down-the-pub' selling them on, which is something, better than nothing for me.

Agree to agree!

Of course it's a most welcome feature, even the find my iphone was mana itself.

I just think that actual impact on theft stats will take some time be noticeable. I could be wrong, no doubt.
 
And now, with Activation Lock, if a thief tries to turn off Find My iPhone, or if they even wipe the device entirely, they will not be able to reactivate it because they don't know your iCloud user name and password.

I believe iCloud is connected to the actual SN# of the phone so it is likely that when you put in your password it's not accessing just your phone but iCloud as well. I'm pretty sure you can't hack a phones SN, and even if you did what would you change it to to be able to re-activate it? If done properly this looks like it will be pretty effective..
 
About time.

My wife lost her iPhone 4 in a NY can over the weekend. I immediately did "find my iPhone" and it was already off. I checked a few times and in the end sent the dreaded erase my iPhone and suspended the service.

Thankfully she is out of contract so I could move her off our AT&T family plan and onto Verizon and get her an iPhone 5. I am on iPhone 4S and still have a few months of contract before I am heading to Verizon as well.
 
Not even that, this whole process only applies when the iPhone was 'lost and erased' remotely, not when you have it in your posession.

Your phone will still be erased and reset as usual


That is not what was said in the keynote, (and quoted in the article link)

Craig Federighi during Keynote said:
And now, with Activation Lock, if a thief tries to turn off Find My iPhone, or if they even wipe the device entirely, they will not be able to reactivate it because they don't know your iCloud user name and password. We think this is going to be a really powerful theft deterrent.

It also applies to devices wiped and erased in attempts to gain fresh access after a data erase.

Keynote time 1:52:10 if you are curious and want to hear him state this himself.
 
No. After you erase the phone you sign back in with your ID and then let your buyer carry on with the registration. This is what I think.

Based on the read me included with the new Find my iPhone app it would appear the Activation lock is enabled when a phone is registered with Find my iPhone, and disabled when its removed. Much simpler than what I though it would be.

----------

About time.

My wife lost her iPhone 4 in a NY can over the weekend. I immediately did "find my iPhone" and it was already off. I checked a few times and in the end sent the dreaded erase my iPhone and suspended the service.

Thankfully she is out of contract so I could move her off our AT&T family plan and onto Verizon and get her an iPhone 5. I am on iPhone 4S and still have a few months of contract before I am heading to Verizon as well.

Mine was stolen this weekend too.... I'm running IOS7 with the new find my iPhone app, on my new one. At least if this goes bye bye its a brick to the thief.
 
This is great news

It's a start but they need to make it so you have to put in a pin to turn it off.
You have to use your apple id activate DUF mode or when you plug it in to a computer to wipe it.
No airplane mode on lock screen.
They need this on there mac on a chip that can't be taken out ie on the motherboard
 
Last edited:
That is assuming Apple removes the ability to remove a device from Find my iPhone, and, or un-register a device from an iTunes account.

It's still too early to judge / worry about such things, as the details haven't been released yet, nor is iOS 7 officially available to the general public.

If you don't have access to the icloud account its registered with I don't see how someone could remove it. Now if your phone is unlocked all bets are off.
 
If you don't have access to the icloud account its registered with I don't see how someone could remove it. Now if your phone is unlocked all bets are off.

I'm waiting for the stories of....

I jailbroke my phone, and it got stolen. I remotely wiped it, but I know someone who has my phone and it's still working. Apple won't help me! They're evil!
 
Agree to agree!

Of course it's a most welcome feature, even the find my iphone was mana itself.

I just think that actual impact on theft stats will take some time be noticeable. I could be wrong, no doubt.

It will take some time to impact thefts but pretty soon people will figure out the pay off for taking an Apple device running IOS7 is zero and the risk remains the same.
 
Some of the people in this thread really seem to be taking this to a level it was never meant to go. Of course phones can still be sold for parts. Of course this won't thwart 100% of theft. The point is to make it less enticing for a thief to steal the phone. I think this is a brilliant idea, one that I have been saying they should do (and they actually implemented it much like I expected they would) for a while now. I am going to reserve judgement selling hardware to a third party as Apple made no mention of how or if they are going to make this easier for the consumer.

Absolutely right! In the same way you cannot completely make your network secure, you can raise the bar high enough that would be hackers move on to softer targets. Reselling the device is as easy as removing the device from your iCloud acct it would appear. I thought it weird they didn't mention this....
 
They need to take what is given and be happy about it. Apple or any other company doesn't owe them anything.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.