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Well, as a consumer of the technology, i totally disagree with your assessment.
It would appear others share that view too.
At the same time many (perhaps even more) others don't seem to.
 
And thats cool, I'm not try or asking for others to not upgrade. But why don't apple offer the facility to go back to a base ship level of iOS... i know why, because they couldn't then claim market share and that appears to be more important than providing a cohesive user experience on older devices.

i think you'd be more than surprised at those that would go backwards.
 
And thats cool, I'm not try or asking for others to not upgrade. But why don't apple offer the facility to go back to a base ship level of iOS... i know why, because they couldn't then claim market share and that appears to be more important than providing a cohesive user experience on older devices.

i think you'd be more than surprised at those that would go backwards.
I agree about it not being all that good that there's now way to downgrade. That said, I don't think many people would end up doing that (given that most typical users don't notice or really care about many issues, and it's likely that many of the few that might would still likely not even think that a downgrade might be a solution and/or actually try to actually go through the process of doing it, which wouldn't be as simple as just an over the air update that most typical users can handle). That doesn't make it a good thing that downgrading isn't available, just that it would be useful to a few people but likely wouldn't change things much in the overall sense (which really only makes it see like Apple shouldn't care about it as much).
 
You've got your anti-vaxxers and anti-upgraders. Ya'll crazy.

A vaccination doesn't make a pro-footballer performer like a deaf dumb and blind quadriplegic though.
Apples upgrades generally do..! iOS 9 has all but crippled my iPads 4s and two 5S's... they are not slick and joyful to use.

Happy to take the vaccinations.
 
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Here's a clue Apple. Release iTunes 12 for 32 bit and 64 bit Macs older than 2011 that can't run el capitan! I'll upgrade then. I'm not buying another computer just to run iTunes. You already have a 32 bit version for Windows XP!
Well, you can install Windows 7 on even an early 2006 Mac, so you'll always be able to use iTunes 12!
 
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A vaccination doesn't make a pro-footballer performer like a deaf dumb and blind quadriplegic though.
Apples upgrades generally do..! iOS 9 has all but crippled my iPads 4s and two 5S's... they are not slick and joyful to use.

Happy to take the vaccinations.
No hyperbole there at all.
 
No hyperbole there at all.

None. I have the devices and i know what the upgrades have done to them and at no point do i try to speak for all other users. My devices worked perfectly well before hand, so it's either complete bloat and bad coding, or deliberate coding for the purpose of obsolesces. Also given its a constant theme on here by many users....

The "hyperbole" seems to come from the fanboys.
 
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A lot of people that have older devices just don't want to upgrade software because it will slow down their devices and have stuff they really don't feel they need.

Plus the 'fear of change'...

Just the whole idea of 'change' happening. Change is bad. Change is to be avoided at all costs. It's understandable, when it looks like Apple programmers just randomly change stuff, because apparently they can.

But I'll bet most of those that don't update haven't had their iPhone hooked to their computer for anything, since it was originally set up. It happens.

I wonder, is it possible to still use an original iPhone? Things haven't changed enough on the technology basis to make them unuseble, have they?
 
Well that isn't something Apple would need to push out to people - that would just be giving the FBI the Apple Certificate so the FBI can push software updates onto your phone and apply them without your authorization...current iOS allows this from Apple. Apple should remove this capability / vulnerability.

To protect themselves, the 6% should just raise their passcode security to a higher level (more than 6 digits and add letters and characters etc. to it).

As for when to stop downloading updates, that'll be after the U.S. congress passes a law requiring govt back doors in all electronic devices (and what this Kabuki theater we're seeing with the FBI and their end game - legislation - is really all about). The FBI and administration have orchestrated this quite well, even if Apple were to win in the courts, the FBI will cry and then the Congress will save us from the "terrorists" with legislation. JMHO...


iPhones are used by many US government departments. Any backdoor that Apple creates for the FBI can be used by Apple itself, or other governments to access the phones of US staff overseas. It only takes one Snowden within the FBI or Apple HQ for that to happen.

Which is the bigger threat? The phones of dead terrorists in the US, or foreign governments accessing US government phones?

There is no such thing as a 'secure' backdoor. Once it is open, everyone gains access.
 
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I can understand why someone with an older device and iOS7 would consider not updating to iOS8, but updating from 8 to 9 is a complete no-brainer as it is FASTER on all devices, including the oldest ones supported.

Is this true for an iPad Air and an iPad mini 2? [they both have the same CPUs]. I'm used to seeing iPads slow down with iOS upgrades.
 
Is this true for an iPad Air and an iPad mini 2? [they both have the same CPUs]. I'm used to seeing iPads slow down with iOS upgrades.

Don't get your hopes up. It'll slow down overall. People have differences of opinion. Some say their iPhone 4S works perfectly fine on iOS 8 - and when you try to clarify they will say it is just as snappy as it's ever been. Just saying.
 
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This is wrong for many reasons.
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Your mini would be faster with iOS9
I installed iOS8 on one of my 2011 devices and the experience was terrible. Choppy and laggy. Luckily I was able to downgrade before Apple stopped signing iOS7. It was this poor experience that was the deciding factor not to attempt iOS9 on other devices, especially as there is now no option to go back to iOS7. If Apple allowed users to downgrade, I'd give iOS9 a go immediately. Unfortunately Apple broke trust on the user experience stating users of older devices could install iOS8 when really the experience was quite the opposite of compatible. Allow downgrading, Apple. As a developer, the results on the pie chart is troublesome supporting three, and four versions with iOS10 soon, of the system software and the system's subtle differences.
 
Is this true for an iPad Air and an iPad mini 2? [they both have the same CPUs]. I'm used to seeing iPads slow down with iOS upgrades.
I can understand why someone with an older device and iOS7 would consider not updating to iOS8, but updating from 8 to 9 is a complete no-brainer as it is FASTER on all devices, including the oldest ones supported.

I concur, I've lived it. IOS 8 was and still is a dog all around. ;)
 
I would update today if Apple would fix Notes so that it has as much capability as it has before! With the latest version you lose:
1) the ability to find a character string inside a long note
2) the ability to search for a character string in ALL notes on ALL accounts.
I use both of the capabilities regularly. Until I find a replacement or some other way to do this, I'm stuck with the iOS which does what I need. The new iOS doesn't do anything new, which I need, so... no motivation.
Sorry, Apple! Get with it and fix Notes!
 
People will want the "Night Shift" mode when it's available in the next update. I'm using it in the public beta and it's a great complement to F.lux on my Macbook. I only wish it would gradually shift the warmth of the screen over the course of several hours like F.lux does, instead of just one dramatic shift at a preset time.
 
People will want the "Night Shift" mode when it's available in the next update. I'm using it in the public beta and it's a great complement to F.lux on my Macbook. I only wish it would gradually shift the warmth of the screen over the course of several hours like F.lux does, instead of just one dramatic shift at a preset time.
Have you tried using the sunset and sunrise options to see if that provides for more gradual shift?
 
Hey, three out of four isn't bad. Google has never had three out of four devices that are capable of running the latest version of Android actually running it. I don't suspect they'll see those numbers for Android devices anytime soon, if ever.
 
Hey, three out of four isn't bad. Google has never had three out of four devices that are capable of running the latest version of Android actually running it. I don't suspect they'll see those numbers for Android devices anytime soon, if ever.

Still way ahead, but slipping. The slipping part is what is noteworthy here.

I don't think android will ever surpass them either, but they don't really care to. They have other areas of focus.
 
Well, you can install Windows 7 on even an early 2006 Mac, so you'll always be able to use iTunes 12!
Yes. I've even loaded Windows X successfully. But Windows won't sync iPhoto and iCal from a OS X volume. Maybe just maybe the iTunes music folder.
 
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