I don't count Bentley or RR as part of the normal luxury market. You may as well call Ferrari a sports car manufacturer. And technically the old defender was used all over the place for utility and military trucks. Their Discovery Sport is their entry level vehicle. Doesn't lessen the appeal of their $100,000 range rover.
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iOS Adoption Remains at Lowest Levels Since 2014 as Android Captures Record 87.5% Market Share
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I don't count Bentley or RR as part of the normal luxury market. You may as well call Ferrari a sports car manufacturer. And technically the old defender was used all over the place for utility and military trucks. Their Discovery Sport is their entry level vehicle. Doesn't lessen the appeal of their $100,000 range rover.
We only barely stuck with iPhone this year when we bought an SE, until then Apple did not even make a phone we were interested in. But a phone is a phone. With Apple not caring any more about my professional computer needs I see no reason to care about the iPhone. Yep it is a great device, but I won't be in two different ecosystems. No Apple computer, no Apple iPhone. This is the first time in my history that I am not recommending Apple products to family and friends. Fanboy status shrugged off.
No one switches platforms or replaces their phones? Saturation? (ex: hasn't the car market been saturated for decades... I still see car dealers around)
And, often like 50%-ish of actual usage statistics too. Methinks there are many Android devices in sock drawers, junk boxes, or people just use them as a phone.
Priceless.
That's just Google period. There's pretty close to zero customer service. They make some great technologies, but that's about it.
Apple was being mismanaged in the 90s, somewhat like today... too typical of a tech/computer company, w/o vision and eroding UX. But, there were a LOT of other factors involved in the 90s. They weren't losing market share... they were struggling to grow it in the face of M$'s monopoly abuses.
And, yes, if Apple doesn't course-correct, it will be the dark ages again. The difference being Apple had a huge advantage in the 90s, but the world just didn't recognize it. Now, they had that momentum, and are just riding/coasting off of it. When the world starts seeing Apple's dive in terms of UX, it's going to be a rough fall that will be hard to break.
It's much easier to shine a spotlight on something great and eliminate some bad management, than to fix a broken reputation.
People replace their phones all the time. But replacement sales do not produce revenue/profit growth.
The problem is that all localised apps will be Android, so it will be hard for iOS to get a foothold as these markets grow. And these markets are the future. They are not no-income countries. They are low-income countries, with vast populations (India is x 2.5 the EU). The middle class of India is already twice as big as Brazil's, and it's growing faster than any country except China. I doubt that Apple is as sanguine as you.
They do, yet the adoption numbers quoted in this article indicate that Android's share of the market is growing while iOS is shrinking, so any platform switches from Android -> iOS are being outnumbered by either new sales and/or iOS -> Android switching.
It would help if you could give concrete examples for the latter. I think the ‘Android had it first’ kind of arguments are lame. iOS was always capable of multi-tasking, but Apple made the decision to restrict it in other to maintain optimal system performance and battery life and that has always been persuasive (at least for me). So persuasive even that Google has been adding features to restrict multi-tasking, such as ‘Doze’ (which was touted as a big improvement by some reviewers). Android also had no privacy options to speak of until Marshmallow and they only just started deploying decryption by default, not to mention that getting timely system updates for more than a year is still a huge problem. Both Apple and Google have simply different priorities which means that each system was ahead in one area, whereas the other was in another.
No one switches platforms or replaces their phones? Saturation? (ex: hasn't the car market been saturated for decades... I still see car dealers around)
And, often like 50%-ish of actual usage statistics too. Methinks there are many Android devices in sock drawers, junk boxes, or people just use them as a phone.
Priceless.
That's just Google period. There's pretty close to zero customer service. They make some great technologies, but that's about it.
Apple was being mismanaged in the 90s, somewhat like today... too typical of a tech/computer company, w/o vision and eroding UX. But, there were a LOT of other factors involved in the 90s. They weren't losing market share... they were struggling to grow it in the face of M$'s monopoly abuses.
And, yes, if Apple doesn't course-correct, it will be the dark ages again. The difference being Apple had a huge advantage in the 90s, but the world just didn't recognize it. Now, they had that momentum, and are just riding/coasting off of it. When the world starts seeing Apple's dive in terms of UX, it's going to be a rough fall that will be hard to break.
It's much easier to shine a spotlight on something great and eliminate some bad management, than to fix a broken reputation.
Good point on UX, it's suffering significantly and very underestimated.
iOS is not really playing catch up. Multi-tasking was never a true multi-tasking on both platform, and folder was never a thing either on iOS.
Most app that I used on Nexus 5X, the app UI doesn't even show correctly when I split them.
In UI/UX, the only one that has a better UI than iOS is the native Calendar app. Everything else is either an awful experience or half baked. iOS has far superior UI/UX by a long shot. I don't think Android will ever catch up.
Galaxy S7 is a junk to begin with. Every Samsung phone that my wife used, in a matter of few weeks she start to complain how slow that **** is, but yet to complain anything since I got her a iPhone 6S.
I honestly don't know why people even think S7 have a good Camera. The oversaturated color and aggressive sharpening on photo is just awful to see and use. The auto-focus is so bad enough that I need to take multiple shot to get it right. iPhone overall has better point and shoot quality, with exception at low light. The only phone that truly amaze me is HTC 10 camera, people don't seem to understand the capability when using their phone camera on manual control, it's far superior than any other phone camera that I have seen in every aspect of it.
Apple definitely drop the quality in both hardware and software. Their direction is clearly broken, especially seen how Swift turns out when they promise so much, and still have broken performance with worsen readability after 3 major revision. Yet, they still ahead other companies.
Yes, that's a very important point, with two *current* problems: 1) I think Apple sees all the 'switchers' who have PCs and iPhones, so they probably aren't that concerned. 2) The alternative eco-system isn't yet better than Apple's.
But, I feel the same way. I'm buying an SE... possibly a new Mac next year... after that, who knows? If current trajectories continue, I also won't have a reason to stick with the Apple eco-system. I'm already working to transition off iTunes, Photos, etc. Once I don't need Apple-based software solutions any longer, why stick with the hardware? (That's the chink in Apple's armor... they've gotten insanely sloppy with the software.)
They don't? How so?
As those markets grow, they might not consider Apple/iOS? If the problem is low-income, that won't be a problem. Soon the USA might be the low income area, while India and China might be buying iPhones.
I think you're placing too much emphasis on market-share. The only time market-share really matters (and I'm talking real in-use market-share, not quarterly sales share, often called 'market-share') is in terms of developers considering whether to support a given platform. There are PLENTY of iOS devices around for a strong development community if the market-share figures suddenly say Apple has only 1%.
It's largely a baloney stat, and largely irrelevant.
Again, you're wrong.
You're really saying that if I already own 10 of your gadgets and I buy 10 more from you, you see no revenue?
Yes, buying replacements does contribute to revenue. Things like decreased cost of manufacturing and increased product pricing also contribute to revenue and profit growth.
I mostly agree, though I wouldn't underestimate Apple's downslide, nor some competitor to do what Apple did to the previous 'smart-phone' market. Any time you have a sloppy, overconfident industry that stops innovating, there is room for disruption.
I don't really see Google as good enough in terms of UX to do that (it doesn't seem to be in their DNA), but someone else could certainly come along.
Bingo.
You'll sell a heck of a lot more $10 Android phones than you will sell $600 iPhones, especially in countries listed.
Yet basic economic knowledge won't slow down those who need self-vindication of their phone choice.
I think so, or not too long after. Initially, I didn't believe it. How could Apple, with all that creativity in their DNA, fail on what made them so great? But, then I started realizing things like:
1) most of the people who drove the UX emphasis moved on, were let go, or died.
2) The leadership has no vision, they are just good at managing supply chains and such.
3) the marketing stooges and spreadsheet jockeys are back in control (over UX and best product principals)
4) the leadership are more concerned about image, fashion, and being with the 'cool kids'
5) great designer minds are running amok w/o a leader to say 'no' to the right things
6) some of the ideas of current leadership are actually counter good-design, common sense, and real-world
etc.
Folders? Really? That's your example of Android being ahead of Apple and more intuitive? iOS has had folders since 2010. Yes, 2010. And still has the most intuitive implementation, IMO. Android was in fact the one that copied Apples implementation of app folders (dragging two apps on top of each other to create a folder, folder icon displaying a smaller grid of apps within). iOS has also had background processing capabilities since 2010, and its Android that has dialed back its full blown multitasking approach it originally had to something more akin to iOS (albeit with more permissions). Widgets is another poor example, seeing as Apple pioneered their use with Mac OSX Tiger over a decade ago. Their lack of implementation was never a lack of capability, but rather a design decision. And I happen to prefer their implementation in iOS 10. They're more importantly easier for developers to adopt than on android. I find tremendous value having access to widgets WITHIN AN APP, rather than having to exit back to home screen. What's the point? I'd rather open the app.
If Apples software and hardware were so lacking, Google and Samsung wouldn't find so much inspiration in Apples products. Both hardware and software. If you don't see the clear inspiration from Apples hardware and software, you're blind. Google wallet was completely reworked after Apple Pay was introduced to a complete clone of it, even in branding and strategy. The list is endless, but that's one clear cut example where Android was first, but Apple created a solution far more compelling and successful, which was then copied by the original first-movers
Implementation is everything when it comes to these devices. Is Apple guilty of plucking things from Android? Of course, but it's rarely as blatant.
It is the market share of phones that are $500 and up that really matter.
Even for app development developers look at the market that will actually purchase or use apps not just the OS used.
Even for app development developers look at the market that will actually purchase or use apps not just the OS used.
The Music app. They've been consistently downgrading it since its point of perfection in iOS 6. But Android still sucks.
They probably meant a file-system with a reasonable UI. IMO, this is iOS's biggest issue... file management SUCKS! It's a horrible UX/UI.
Because to grow revenue you have to either sell more units then you did last year or sell them for more than you did last year (or a combination of the two). By definition, selling a replacement unit means selling to someone who has already bought from you and so you're just maintaining the same revenue you had the previous year.
Read my post again....
"... (stuff like multi-tasking, widgets, even folders, if I remember)...."
And "iOS was always capable of multi-tasking" is nonsense: I was unable to use the flashlight and play a podcast on my iPhone while hiking in the dark, which was why I first started leaving my iPhone at home in favor of Andorid.
Making lame excuses for Apple's lack of innovation over the last few years is not helpful to anyone, including to Apple as a company.
(I know the answer...) but, so what? (see below)
Yes, and Photos, and iTunes, and most of the UI, and poor consistency between iOS and macOS, and flat... need I say more? It's like a bunch of entry-level designers were unleashed to rip apart and then cobble back up, a refined machine.
Or, you could just be happy making many billions each year in profits. I know, I know... the Wall Street idiots won't stand for that. And, you're right that Apple is stuck in that trap. But, what I don't see is why they won't sell more units. Or, why selling millions of devices at high profit margins, and possibly growing in terms of other market segments, wouldn't be just as good?
As a business owner, I'm quite happy with clients who renew services with me each year. It's the core of my business. Of course, I also seek more customers and create new services. But, this concept that a business has to just keep forever increasing market share to survive is silly.
Sorry, but this is just nonsense.
While previous Galaxies were plagued with issues, the S7 Edge, which I use as my daily driver (over my company iPhone 6+, which is getting replaced with a 7+) is better than the iPhone. It has a better camera, the UI is more intuitive, the battery life is better....
It's a bit like a Windows user bringing up Mac OS 7 to prove how great Windows 10 is.