Apple's "reason" why alternative stores fall apart when they completely allow it on macOS.
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iOS Apps From Alternative Marketplaces Can Be Updated for 30 Days Outside of EU
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This is nothing like streaming. Apple can't sabotage rights people have under the DMA, simply because they're temporarily outside the EU for work, vacation, whatever. It's also just plain stupid, because what if there are important or critical updates? And of course it doesn't apply to the App Store, which is yet another way they're blatantly self-preferencing (which is forbidden). In addition to this being self-preferencing:
"The gatekeeper shall not engage in any behaviour that undermines effective compliance with the obligations of Articles 5, 6 and 7 regardless of whether that behaviour is of a contractual, commercial or technical nature, or of any other nature, or consists in the use of behavioural techniques or interface design."
"The gatekeeper shall not degrade the conditions or quality of any of the core platform services provided to business users or end users who avail themselves of the rights or choices laid down in Articles 5, 6 and 7, or make the exercise of those rights or choices unduly difficult, including by offering choices to the end-user in a non-neutral manner, or by subverting end users’ or business users' autonomy, decision-making, or free choice via the structure, design, function or manner of operation of a user interface or a part thereof."
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Apple really wants another penalty fine from the EU. I hope that this time the fine goes into 10+ billion. No more slaps on the wrists
They can keep doing this, but this will only make the penalty at the end even larger.
For a US employee that's three yearly vacations in a row. Apple probably thinks this is a generous offer.
Streaming services work with VPNs, and they have actual legal reasons for geolocation checks, namely content licensing.
I really don’t understand this desire for alternate stores. I guess if you were previously on android, and you had that ability to download whatever from wherever you wanted, I would understand missing that. But I really like the idea of a ‘closed’ system with Apple and their products. Is it just cheaper prices or being able to download stuff for free?
It will become even more popular to live in the EU.
I’m positive I’m in the minority on here, but I’m thinking that’s fair. I was leaning on 4-6 weeks before having to “check in” from the EU.
So if you take your 6 week vacation you can’t update your apps?
How about no need to ‘check in’ from the eu at all? It is a ridiculous requirement and probably one that Apple will be forced to remove or dilute.
Laws are laws and rules are rules. Once you pass the Azores in the Atlantic, you’re no longer in the EU.
It’s that Apple is policing which kinds of apps they allow on their stores. For example, they won’t allow an Android emulator app what would allow you to run any (or most) Android apps on your iPhone, for apps that don’t have an iOS version. Another example is retro gaming emulators, and any content they consider redundant, inappropriate or too “spicy” for some reason.
Apple also doesn’t allow you to write your own apps for your own personal use without having to update them once a week on each device, and even then they only allows three apps for free developer accounts. This is why I’m not developing for iOS (in addition to having to use a Mac for Xcode).
Thanks for confirming your true colour with no shame and remorse, Apple. You don’t deserve any love.
I hope such hard geofencing don’t spread to multiple App Store accounts in different regions.
I hope such hard geofencing don’t spread to multiple App Store accounts in different regions.
Why not 100 billion region, really make them hurt.
This kind of geofencing is ridiculous.
Or just use Apple App Store. The provision that Apple happily and willingly provided you. Rather than something an authoritarian entity twisted their arm to do. You know. The original terms and conditions of the device when you paid for it.
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They even region lock apps and other content besides movies and tv. Video games have been region locked for decades. You even need a console specifically for that region to play that game. You can’t just buy a game overseas and play it on your console purchased in the states.
I’m very late to this DMA party so could you help me to understand it?
Who actually owns the DMA privilege…companies wanting to open alternative markets within the EU or users within the EU?
The reason I am asking:
If the privilege is owned by the EU user, then a company based anywhere in the world could open an alternative market and Apple would have to allow EU users access regardless where the user lives.
If the privilege is owned by the company, then I would think I could open an alternative market based in the EU and argue Apple has no right to limit where my customers live.
Any idea?
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People who use this argument don’t seem to understand the difference in paradigms for the 2 platforms. Apple didn’t even want an App Store for the iPhone to begin with. They weren’t going to allow any loading of any apps. Steve Jobs said to use web apps… the App Store wasn’t even launched until iPhoneOS 2 or 3. Obviously it’s possible to have the same setup as macOS but that wasn’t the intention for iOS and a new model was built around a new product category. Nobody should be able to force Apple to change that. They spent the billions to create and grow the platform and they should be able to run it the way they want. If you don’t like it, switch to a platform that does accommodate your needs. That’s why non-Apple products exist…
wierd that they dont brick it by puging all data permantly via remote access.
every iPhone thats contaminated with the ability of sideloading is a security risk and hacked after all, according to apple
every iPhone thats contaminated with the ability of sideloading is a security risk and hacked after all, according to apple
Friend, the United States can’t enforce the Digital Millennium Copyright Act in Portugal because it doesn’t have the authority. But you’re arguing the EU should have the authority of enforcing the DMA globally?
Apple will only do this when it’s forced to by law. That’s the decision it’s made through this process.
My university had a web app. If you went to the website on iPhone, it instructed you to save the page to the Home Screen and it would open as a full screen app.