iOS Drops to Lowest Share of China Smartphone Market in Nearly Three Years

[I7guy]

And thats going to miserably fail. No one in their right mind would buy a refurbished iPhone when you got a spanking new One Plus 3T to do the trick.

Really, and you can prove this statement how? Is that why apple is now reselling refurbished phones? Because there is no market?

From what I gather, its a refurbished iPhone 6 they are going to sell. A refurbished phone from 2014. Apple has no shame selling these old devices and trying to make a quick buck. At least sell the 6S.I am sure the market is going to teach them a lesson like in China as Android has an almost monopoly in India based on Kantar.

I don't think you have your finger on the pulse of the world. None of what you said about apple since, I've been a member has come true...in fact the opposite. In fact the more the apple is downplayed, the better it seems to to do.

 

[mi7chy]

And thats going to miserably fail. No one in their right mind would buy a refurbished iPhone when you got a spanking new One Plus 3T to do the trick.

Refurbished is also just nasty. It's like using someone else's toothbrush or underwear.

 

[I7guy]

Refurbished is also just nasty. It's like using someone else's toothbrush or underwear.

There are various websites that sell refurbished merchandise as well as http://shop.us.samsung.com/store/samsung/html/pbPage.Refurb_FAQ/ThemeID.38225500

 

[Radon87000]

So who are they copying, someone copied someone else.

Bixby is a derivative of Viv Labs who created Siri and were bought by Samsung

So then wifi, cellular, camera, speakers, graphics processors must be copying as well.

If in any one of these categories, your competition has a better product and you later incorporate it into your product you copied them

Except S8 still doesn't have 3dt as samsung hasn't figured out how to copy it. As well as Samsung copying the FP feature.

They dont need it as majority of Android customers are used to long press to do the same things 3DT does. If they wanted to they could do it as they already have a pressure sensitive home button

So other than the wifi, cellular, and standard qualcomm chipsets, well no, they don't including 3dt, custom design socs, dual cameras, haptic feedback, 5 years of support.

Dual cameras are there on Android. 3DT is debatable vs long press. Not exactly a extra feature. Samsung uses custom SOCs in their product. As far as support goes, all phones are getting almost the same features iOS gains in a new update via the play store
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There are various websites that sell refurbished merchandise as well as http://shop.us.samsung.com/store/samsung/html/pbPage.Refurb_FAQ/ThemeID.38225500

Is Samsung selling ancient hardware for outrageous prices in developing markets?

 

[I7guy]

Bixby is a derivative of Viv Labs who created Siri and were bought by Samsung

And now they are copying the SIRI concept.

If in any one of these categories, your competition has a better product and you later incorporate it into your product you copied them

Better is subjective by definition.

They dont need it as majority of Android customers are used to long press to do the same things 3DT does. If they wanted to they could do it as they already have a pressure sensitive home button

Imagine long pressing the left mouse button to get the same functionality. How wasteful is that? And long press doesn't even to begin to do the same things as 3dt, like play live photos or peek and pop, or else it would have.

Dual cameras are there on Android. 3DT is debatable vs long press. Not exactly a extra feature. Samsung uses custom SOCs in their product. As far as support goes, all phones are getting almost the same features iOS gains in a new update via the play store

Does every android phone have them? Is it a standard across the board feature? Samsung uses qualcomm socs the last I looked and android phones do not get core o/s updates for 5 years, where you can update to a 5 year newer o/s on a 5 year old phone.

 

[Radon87000]

And now they are copying the SIRI concept.

So the creators of Siri copied Siri. Nice

Better is subjective by definition.

OLED display is brighter,infinite contrast,thinner,more power efficient,same color accuracy as an LCD

Imagine long pressing the left mouse button to get the same functionality. How wasteful is that?

Its pretty straightforward actually. On a PC theres 2 buttons. One to open and one for right click. On Android there's 2 options,one for opening and one for right click.On iOS theres 3 options. One for opening,another which may or may not activate right click menu, and long press which is doing the part of 3DT in Safari where you need to long press tabs to get a right click menu

And long press doesn't even to begin to do the same things as 3dt, like play live photos or peek and pop, or else it would have.

Not every app on iOS supports Peek and Pop except for Apple apps. And long press does things 3DT cant. Can you directly jump into mobile data via contro lcenterwith 3DT?

Does every android phone have them? Is it a standard across the board feature?

Android offers users a choice. I want an LCD? Get a HTC or Sony. Want a smaller phone? Sony. Want the best possible hardware? Get a Samsung. Want an iPhone ripoff running Android? Get a Pixel. Unlike with iOS where I pay more to get a lower quality display like the iPad Pro. Want an OLED with Apple? Pay 1400 dollars

Samsung uses qualcomm socs the last I looked

Outside the USA they use their inhouse Exynos CPU

and android phones do not get core o/s updates for 5 years, where you can update to a 5 year newer o/s on a 5 year old phone.

The question here is what do iOS devices get in an OS update?Define what you mean by an iOS update and I will tell you how Android has that 5 year support

 

[Olganech]

Samsung also use their own SoC in some markets.

Why would you be using a 5 year old phone? O/S updates would be good for say 3 year but by then you would be wanting to get a better phone.

 

[I7guy]

So the creators of Siri copied Siri. Nice

So copying is copying except where it isn't? Sound logic there.

OLED display is brighter,infinite contrast,thinner,more power efficient,same color accuracy as an LCD

Except for burn in and color management.

Its pretty straightforward actually. On a PC theres 2 buttons. One to open and one for right click. On Android there's 2 options,one for opening and one for right click.On iOS theres 3 options. One for opening,another which may or may not activate right click menu, and long press which is doing the part of 3DT in Safari where you need to long press tabs to get a right click menu

3dt is very straightforward as well.

Not every app on iOS supports Peek and Pop except for Apple apps. And long press does things 3DT cant. Can you directly jump into mobile data via contro lcenterwith 3DT?

Exactly the same as windows. Right click has to be registered by the application.

Android offers users a choice. I want an LCD? Get a HTC or Sony. Want a smaller phone? Sony. Want the best possible hardware? Get a Samsung. Want an iPhone ripoff running Android? Get a Pixel. Unlike with iOS where I pay more to get a lower quality display like the iPad Pro. Want an OLED with Apple? Pay 1400 dollars

Seems like iOS garners more of its fair share of industry profits along with android fragmention. So I'm not sure how having "choice" in market share is actually better.

Outside the USA they use their inhouse Exynos CPU

But in the US what do "they" use?

The question here is what do iOS devices get in an OS update?Define what you mean by an iOS update and I will tell you how Android has that 5 year support

Can you install the latest android on every 5 year old android device? So I'm not sure if what you are getting? If a five year old android o/s pus updates = 2017 android why bother with new android releases?

 

[mi7chy]

Why would you be using a 5 year old phone? O/S updates would be good for say 3 year but by then you would be wanting to get a better phone.

Nothing wrong with 5 year old phone. 2012 Galaxy Note II that's approaching 5 years still has hardware and software features that the latest iPhone has yet to get like Wacom pen, SAMOLED, foreground split screen multitasking, proper background multitasking, picture-in-picture, ability to set default apps, customizable placement of home screen icons for easier reach, better privacy since it doesn't force you to sign in with account and give up your identity/fingerprint, etc.

 

[I7guy]

Nothing wrong with 5 year old phone. 2012 Galaxy Note II that's approaching 5 years still has hardware and software features that the latest iPhone has yet to get like Wacom pen, SAMOLED, foreground split screen multitasking, proper background multitasking, picture-in-picture, ability to set default apps, customizable placement of home screen icons for easier reach, better privacy since it doesn't force you to sign in with account and give up your identity/fingerprint, etc.

What hyperbole. Without signing in to google, you have a basic dumb phone where a 10 year old blackberry is better. And who exactly is giving up a fingerprint.

Even my 7 year old iphone 4 supports facetime and imessage something android is lacking across the product line. See how easy it is to spin this? My 6 year old ipad 2 has ios 9 features that arent available for android phones on that era and without signing into google, functionality is limited, non-existent.

 

[Roadstar]

Samsung also use their own SoC in some markets.

Why would you be using a 5 year old phone? O/S updates would be good for say 3 year but by then you would be wanting to get a better phone.

I'll be using a newer phone, but my wife tends to drive them to the very end, so it's good that the phone is still getting software updates for a good while when I hand down my previous phone.

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

I move around within the States. I know it's not good in Mexico, but I think you're overestimating how well-connected the U.S. is. My internet connection, whether it's cable-based or cellular (which comes at a high cost), is pretty horrible or nonexistent in some places. But I don't see what that has to do with the file system. There's nothing to manage. I've got a camera roll, iTunes music (local not cloud), and maybe a few documents; not sure what else there would be. It's mostly fine the way it's managed automatically..

Its fine for you. People are different, have different needs. If you work with more documents, etc. and do not live or work where you can access the cloud then the file system sucks. Other than the cloud most apps have their own storage access and having to keep multiple copies, one for each app. Not all Hub type apps share with all of the other apps and most share with icloud, dropbox, etc. Not having access hampers this for anyone that uses their ios devices that way.

You don't see how it affects it. Fine, doesn't mean everyone are the same as you. You don't see how being able to access files in one location by all apps instead of cloud locations is far better for offline working and I don't see how you can't see that. It's pretty basic computing.

Moving a document, etc. to multiple applications can involve extra applications if you do not have access to icloud or Dropbox (central location), Its designed for cloud access. With android you have access to the file in downloads, etc. from each app without internet access.

Out of curiosity, do you truly see not having a central location to access documents, etc. unless you are online a good thing? Try looking at it from the perspective from someone that actually uses apps, works with documents, etc.

It's easy for me to say I don't see the point of fingerprint readers, apple's weak widgets and some other stuff but some use that stuff.

 

[sudo1996]

Out of curiosity, do you truly see not having a central location to access documents, etc. unless you are online a good thing? Try looking at it from the perspective from someone that actually uses apps, works with documents, etc.

It's easy for me to say I don't see the point of fingerprint readers, apple's weak widgets and some other stuff but some use that stuff.

No, it's definitely a big problem to not have a central location, but don't people have PCs for work? I'm fortunate to have high-end PCs, but even the cheapest would suffice. I don't see the point in using just a phone for digital work or even daily tasks, no matter how full-featured the OS is. Maybe a tablet, but at that point, you just buy a cheap laptop and have it all.

 

[BeforeTheMeds]

No, it's definitely a big problem to not have a central location, but don't people have PCs for work? I'm fortunate to have high-end PCs, but even the cheapest would suffice. I don't see the point in using just a phone for digital work or even daily tasks, no matter how full-featured the OS is. Maybe a tablet, but at that point, you just buy a cheap laptop and have it all.

Who the hell said anything about JUST using an ios device for it. YOU. Not everyone is behind their pc 24/7

You just entirely missed the point of having a portable hand held computer over a flip phone. So you carry your pc eith you 24/7, not everyone does.

Whats the point of having a phone with a built in computer if you can't use it?

This is not 2005, many people use ips devices for work while mobile. WTF is the point of an ipad pro then? Apple's so called laptop killer.

Not everything happens in offices, not everyone carties around laptops 24/7.

Jeezus. Apple truly is perfect, huh? Whether the brand worshipers like it or not there is a segment that would love to have and use a filing system, why alienate them? If I need to do something like that while aut and about I typicallly use the wife's edge 7. You, apple and the whole (apple is perfect) crowd expect people to drop everything and go to their computer to do it?

I personally own all apple products but this is a shortcoming of ios. Enough that my iphone and ipad will probably be my last ios devices.

 

[sudo1996]

Who the hell said anything about JUST using an ios device for it. YOU. Not everyone is behind their pc 24/7

You just entirely missed the point of having a portable hand held computer over a flip phone. So you carry your pc eith you 24/7, not everyone does.

Whats the point of having a phone with a built in computer if you can't use it?

This is not 2005, many people use ips devices for work while mobile. WTF is the point of an ipad pro then? Apple's so called laptop killer.

Not everything happens in offices, not everyone carties around laptops 24/7.

Jeezus. Apple truly is perfect, huh? Whether the brand worshipers like it or not there is a segment that would love to have and use a filing system, why alienate them? If I need to do something like that while aut and about I typicallly use the wife's edge 7. You, apple and the whole (apple is perfect) crowd expect people to drop everything and go to their computer to do it?

I personally own all apple products but this is a shortcoming of ios. Enough that my iphone and ipad will probably be my last ios devices.

I take a laptop where I need to work, wherever that is. It's pretty light, about the same as taking an iPad Pro or any other tablet except that it can do everything without compromise. Microsoft had the right idea with their touch screen laptops that they called "tablets" just because they were popular from the fad. No matter what software you put on it, I see absolutely no reason to buy a full-on tablet except for media consumption or certain semi-embedded workplace functions like mobile credit card readers / cash registers where it makes sense. It's just a fad that people thought was cool, like having domain names ending with ".ly" in 2012.

You think I'm an Apple fan. You haven't seen my complaint posts, I guess. No, I think they're starting to suck, probably as a result of Tim Cook's management, and iOS is getting buggier with every update. That's my potential reason to switch, if I ever do. They've also been screwing up both Macs and macOS in terms of stability; my next PC will be a Dell running Linux if this MacBook I just bought gives me as much trouble as the last one. There's no excuse for my work machine to be kernel panicking in 2017.

 

[stephenriw]

Personal view, this is mostly because China own smartphone brands is becoming more popular. Maybe samsung drops more, than apple

 

[lowendlinux]

These are really interesting to look at though. I wonder why iOS is so popular in the English speaking world (and then weirdly Japan?), but way less popular in other areas. It's not like Spain/Italy/Germany/France are poor countries where no one can afford one, or are iPhones just way too expensive there? Or is it totally unrelated to price

On top of what most people already said I don't remember a huge initial push to get Europeans into the ecosystem. If you don't use iMessage and Facetime there's no real draw for an iPhone. There are only 14 Apple stores in Germany and I'm sure it's like that throughout Europe meaning that if you need warranty work the phone will have to be mailed no matter the brand. Each country also has varying warranty lengths that the retailer has to abide by so it's not one and done like in the states, basically in Europe (or at least here in Germany) people tend to keep things longer and there is no tangible benefit to Apple.

 

[Roadstar]

Personal view, this is mostly because China own smartphone brands is becoming more popular. Maybe samsung drops more, than apple

I think you're onto something here. I currently own three phones. An iPhone 7, a Galaxy S7 Edge, and a OnePlus 3T. Currently both of my SIMs are in the 3T and I'm quite likely to get rid of either the S7E or the iPhone. The only part where the OnePlus falls any short of the S7E is the camera, and if OnePlus gets this part sorted out, I have no need to pay any Samsung premium and also Apple prices are getting less likely for me to pay as the OnePlus delivers good quality for hundreds of euros less.

 

[Roadstar]

On top of what most people already said I don't remember a huge initial push to get Europeans into the ecosystem. If you don't use iMassage and Facetime there's no real draw for an iPhone.

Here in Finland iMessage isn't really a thing, at least not in my circles. People use WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger instead as both of them work on multiple platforms including Windows Phones which were a thing here before it was evident that the platform's not going anywhere. I actually have iMessage disabled on my iPhone as pretty much no one was messaging me with it and I wanted to avoid messages getting into a limbo when I swap my SIM to non-Apple phones.

 

[lowendlinux]

Here in Finland iMessage isn't really a thing, at least not in my circles. People use WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger instead as both of them work on multiple platforms including Windows Phones which were a thing here before it was evident that the platform's not going anywhere. I actually have iMessage disabled on my iPhone as pretty much no one was messaging me with it and I wanted to avoid messages getting into a limbo when I swap my SIM to non-Apple phones.

I agree, I don't know anyone who uses iMessage.

 

[Radon87000]

So copying is copying except where it isn't? Sound logic there.

Bixby is not a copy of Siri because of 2 reasons

1. It doesnt support English
2. It was created by the creators of Siri

Except for burn in and color management.

Is that why the new iPhone uses OLED displays?

3dt is very straightforward as well.

Used 3DT to activate right click on calculator,flashlight,camera in control centre.That must mean it should work on the top row of control centre right? Doesnt work

You would expect to 3DT everywhere on the Safari interface but alas it only uses long press. 3DT in Apple News widget doesnt bring up peek and pop. Its all so unApplelike and inconstent

Exactly the same as windows. Right click has to be registered by the application.

Even legacy apps from 2002 support rightclick

Seems like iOS garners more of its fair share of industry profits along with android fragmention. So I'm not sure how having "choice" in market share is actually better.

Thats because there is only phone for those who want iOS so Apple makes the choices for you. On Android I buy what I want literally. Choice in marketshare keeps companies on their toes and forces them to innovate which is why Samsung has as of now outdesigned Apple in hardware

But in the US what do "they" use?

The use their inhouse SOCs outside the US. They cant use their Exynos in the US because of Qualcomm having the patents to manufacture and deploy CDMA technology in cellular modems.

Can you install the latest android on every 5 year old android device? So I'm not sure if what you are getting? If a five year old android o/s pus updates = 2017 android why bother with new android releases?

Let me make it simpler. What new features did you get on iOS 10?

 

[I7guy]

Bixby is not a copy of Siri because of 2 reasons

1. It doesnt support English
2. It was created by the creators of Siri

So copying isn't really copying because Samsung is doing it. Got it.

Is that why the new iPhone uses OLED displays?

Can you post a picture of your new iphone in action showing an apple oled on it?

Used 3DT to activate right click on calculator,flashlight,camera in control centre.That must mean it should work on the top row of control centre right? Doesnt work

You would expect to 3DT everywhere on the Safari interface but alas it only uses long press. 3DT in Apple News widget doesnt bring up peek and pop. Its all so unApplelike and inconstent

Just tried right-click on my printer driver. Windows asks me to run with NVIDIA graphics coprocessor. Really Windows?

Even legacy apps from 2002 support rightclick

Maybe not with relevant menu items, but something will be there. 3dt always supports relevant menu items. And right click doesn't work on every square inch of windows, just like 3dt. 3dt at least gives pop and peek; something that can't be done on android or windows. It's a learning process with windows to see where right click works and doesn't work.

Thats because there is only phone for those who want iOS so Apple makes the choices for you. On Android I buy what I want literally. Choice in marketshare keeps companies on their toes and forces them to innovate which is why Samsung has as of now outdesigned Apple in hardware

Apple doesn't have this issue, they use the same basic in-house designed SOC in all phones.

The use their inhouse SOCs outside the US. They cant use their Exynos in the US because of Qualcomm having the patents to manufacture and deploy CDMA technology in cellular modems.

Apple doesn't have this issue.

Let me make it simpler. What new features did you get on iOS 10?

That information is so easily available in the internet or apples website, right?

 

[Olganech]

I have seen a lot of low income people carrying around new iphones here in the UK.


The iPhone is a victim of it's own success, it's common and nothing special anymore.

Gone are the days of the iPhone being an aspirational item. Anyone who wants one has one.

They are not like Bentley, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or Rolex

It is the same with Audi & BMW they used to be aspirational and now they are just common.


They are just a phone, and a pretty gimped one at that.

 

[lazard]

Personal view, this is mostly because China own smartphone brands is becoming more popular. Maybe samsung drops more, than apple

That is true, but also most of the Chinese market is price sensitive. Why spend $1,000 on an iPhone when you can buy a phone from Huawei or Xiaomi with comparable, if not better, specs for a fraction of the price.

 

[I7guy]

I have seen a lot of low income people carrying around new iphones here in the UK.


The iPhone is a victim of it's own success, it's common and nothing special anymore.

Gone are the days of the iPhone being an aspirational item. Anyone who wants one has one.

They are not like Bentley, Rolls Royce, Aston Martin or Rolex

It is the same with Audi & BMW they used to be aspirational and now they are just common.


They are just a phone, and a pretty gimped one at that.

Even Bentley, rolls and Rolex are common. Since you're attempting to equate a level of automobile with smartphones.

The "gimped" smartphone does sell though.