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And Germany is also only just ONE nation of what makes the so-called "first world".

Yeah, except that this is true for most of Europe. The market share of Android in the world's (currently) most potent market (the EU with its 450 million inhabitants) is somewhere near 70%, whereas Apple's is at 13%, en par with Windows Phone 8.

In Switzerland (where I live), interestingly, Apple is at 33%, en par with Nokia (although 80% of the Nokias around are dumb phones). So it's 33% iOS, 33% Nokia, 33% Android. Switzerland's still the wealthiest country in the world (per capita) - yet almost 1/3 of the people aren't even interested in smartphones. Also, iOS may be stronger here than in most other European countries, but the problem is that Apple has been on a rapid decline here anyway - I'm a teacher and have to collect my students' phones on a regular basis. I'd say about 90% of all the phones I collect are iPhones. However, of those 90%, at least 80% are iPhone 4 models and even some 3GSs. Apple used to be popular but the newer models don't sell at all among younger people. This might also be the reason why Switzerland has slipped from a tier 1 country to a tier 3 for Apple - the 5S went on sale here after Vietnam, for example.

I'm only talking about phones - for tablets, it's an entirely different picture. The iPad is popular, but I'd say Android and Windows 8 / RT hold beyond 85% of the market share here.
 
"According to an IBM report, users of iOS devices placed more than five times as many online holiday orders as Android users, and spent nearly twice as much per order."

They're talking about orders from iOS devices vs orders from Android devices, correct?

I don't see how that correlates with disposable income. It could even swing the other way, if iOS device owners would rather order online but couldn't afford (or didn't have) a computer to do it from. Heheh.

Hmm, do you ever think about doing your web surfing at a different forum? ;)

What does this have to do with anything? It is still a forum for Mac users. I sure as hell would rather shop from my desktop! There are more viewing options, it's way easier to comparison shop, and it's easier to pop open another tab and check for a good deal on the item I'm looking for (maybe coupons).
 
I hink you misunderstand what he meant.

Goog doesn't make it's money serving you adds. Yes, there are adds in Apps. Thats not Googles doing, thats the App developer offsetting his costs or making revenue based on the adds in their apps

WHat he's talking about is google's real bread and butter money maker. Analytic data. every page click, every user data. bit, byte, screen, email. basically every single I/0 of data is analysed and put through so many data calculations.

Then that data (not personal data... we hope, but the analytic data and aggregrates) are then sold. This is googles business. the more people using their devices. the more data they have to sell.

Yes, and data on middle income/rich people in the US (iOS users) is more valuable than data on poor people in Africa with Android feature phones.
 
Yes, and data on middle income/rich people in the US (iOS users) is more valuable than data on poor people in Africa with Android feature phones.

all data is worth something to someone if it can be used in any way to make money.

I dont think Google is that picky. I just think they want it all. All of it. From low end to high end. from crappy cheap android knock offs to high end fully loaded iphones.

if they can use the data for something. They want it. heck, knowing who the poor people are and what their shopping habbits are could prove to be extremely profitable if you know what your intended target audience is.

if you're someone like Aston Martin, it might be very profitable to know that, generally, people in guana or ethopia arne't interested in seeing your ads
 
They're talking about orders from iOS devices vs orders from Android devices, correct?

I don't see how that correlates with disposable income. It could even swing the other way, if iOS device owners would rather order online but couldn't afford (or didn't have) a computer to do it from. Heheh.
It has already been established that iPhone/iOS users have more disposable income.

iPhone v. Android (2011): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/16/iphone-vs-android-users_n_928275.html

iPhone v. Android (March 2013): http://www.comscore.com/Insights/Blog/Android_vs_iOS_User_Differences_Every_Developer_Should_Know

iPhone v. Android (April 2013): http://techland.time.com/2013/04/16/ios-vs-android/

Nothing new.

:D
 
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Ah, guess my disposable income changes depending on which of my cellphones I happen to be using at the time then. :D
 
Not really. The headline might give you that impression, but the first sentence of the article is clear that it's about the amount of shopping done from devices. People seem to be commenting just based on their impression of the headline without even reading the summary, much less the original article (kind of like Slashdot for those of you who know, except we're apparently not even reading the summary now :)).

That was the least clearly written article I have read in a long time.
 
I'd really like to see these numbers broken our by type of device. I have a feeling that a lot of actual purchasing is being done on iPads, not iPhones, and that tablets are driving Apple's strong "mobile" numbers, along with their stronger demo.

That's actually covered and broken down in the article, maybe you should read it?
 
I just held a 5C for the first time today. It's surprisingly smooth and nice to hold. Didn't seem like a cheap version of the 5S, which is good since it's not much cheaper.

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Wrong, Europe is where most of the PROFIT is made.

That's a continent vs a country even if that is true after all taxes. And with European taxes, I'm doubtful unless there's some serious tax-dodging.

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Ah, guess my disposable income changes depending on which of my cellphones I happen to be using at the time then. :D

Well, it's an average. I don't know why people keep bringing it up that Android users have less disposable income.
P.S. Go Link!!!
 
Wow the snobbery in this thread is simply amazing.

And it's one of the very worst aspects about Apple fans.

I am better than you as I own an Apple product.

Look at me, I bet you wish you could afford Apple like I can, you poor person.

This thread wreaks of this, it's horrible.

It's the very very very worst part about some Apple fans, actually thinking they are better than others simply because they feel their phone is nicer :(

Not really getting that vibe - the research and the article suggest that iOS users are more willing to use their devices to shop online than Android users, and that when they do shop online with their mobile devices, they spend more per transaction than Android users.

There are obviously many factors contributing to this, and it is hard to derive the single largest variable influence from the available information:

  • iOS users may have more disposable income on average and per device than Android users.
  • The online shopping experience may be more user friendly and/or automated on average on iOS than Android.
  • There may be more OS specific apps just for shopping on iOS than Android
  • There may be a much larger number of less capable devices running Android that make the shopping experience less appealing.
  • iOS users may be more tech-savvy on average than Android users.
  • The perceived capability of mobile devices may be higher, on average, amongst iOS users than Android users (i.e. - a smartphone can do THAT!?)
  • Etc...
 
Ah, guess my disposable income changes depending on which of my cellphones I happen to be using at the time then. :D

Dude, it is just a statistical deduction that makes perfect sense. It is not an attack on your person.

If the are more orders in total and per device on iOS than Android, and the average monetary amount per order is larger on iOS than Android, then the conclusion to the observed evidence is that more money is spent per device on iOS than Android.

Using other external and relevant known variables, such as that the average price of an iOS device is greater than the average price of an Android device, it would be fair and reasonable to deduce that, while acknowledging that there may be numerous other variables in play (see my post above), it appears that iOS users on average have more disposable income to use to shop online with mobile devices than Android users.

Since laptop and desktop units are no part of the research presented, trying to say that Android users prefer to use these devices to shop instead of their phones and tablets has no statistical basis to reference to, and is not arguable at all in this context.

Why are people taking this article as either a personal insult/compliment as to their socioeconomic status? Are we all 15 years old here?

This would be most important to me if I was a retailer or ad agency operating in this space in the US - it would tell me that I would be getting more bang for my buck advertising on iOS than on Android if my primary goal in advertising was converting ad spending into sales. If my primary goal was brand awareness, I would probably be looking at other metrics than this one.
 
That's a continent vs a country even if that is true after all taxes. And with European taxes, I'm doubtful unless there's some serious tax-dodging.

While you are correct that politically one is a continent, the other is not, economically the EU and US are much more similar to each other than the US is to almost any other political union. The EU (mostly) shares a common currency, and also a significant amount of common economic policy, much like the US. Also like the US however, there are other areas of taxation and policy where decisions are made on a state-by-state level. If you look at lists of global economies, you'll see that the IMF, World Bank, and even the CIA list the EU as ONE economy, ahead of the US.
 
While you are correct that politically one is a continent, the other is not, economically the EU and US are much more similar to each other than the US is to almost any other political union. The EU (mostly) shares a common currency, and also a significant amount of common economic policy, much like the US. Also like the US however, there are other areas of taxation and policy where decisions are made on a state-by-state level. If you look at lists of global economies, you'll see that the IMF, World Bank, and even the CIA list the EU as ONE economy, ahead of the US.

But Europe also has a much higher population. From a company's standpoint, I guess it comes to "if it sells in France, will it sell in Germany?" "If it sells in New York, will it sell in California?"

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Wow the snobbery in this thread is simply amazing.

And it's one of the very worst aspects about Apple fans.

I am better than you as I own an Apple product.

Look at me, I bet you wish you could afford Apple like I can, you poor person.

This thread wreaks of this, it's horrible.

It's the very very very worst part about some Apple fans, actually thinking they are better than others simply because they feel their phone is nicer :(

Posting statistics isn't snobbery. You're assuming that someone means something that he did not say. I'll just say it right now that Android users on average have less disposable income. It's true, and it doesn't make me a snob.
 
So what exactly do people do on their android phones if they don't shop, don't buy games and apps and they don't surf the web?

Are the majority of Android phones lower end models being used mainly as dumb phone replacements to mostly talk and text and maybe do some instant messaging?

On the Conterary to What Naysayers Call Fanboy " Sheep ", Give-Away Cheap Android Users Are REAL SHEEP, Lol !!!



Nothing new here, however the US is no longer the biggest market, so in the larger picture for Apple, not a very meaningful metric.


Don't Downplay The Significance of Ruling U.S. Market !
 
Yeah, but the US are just ONE nation of what makes the so-called "first world".

The US deserves to have its own category for accomplishing such an amazing level of safety freakishness, civilization to the next degree. It makes France look almost not like a first-world country. Bike paths on the sidewalks and windows without white lines on them, oh dear!
 
You could look at this another way too. iOS users are so poor from paying Apple's markup that they can't afford another device to do their online shopping from.

Personally, doing online shopping from a mobile device is just dumb. Sure, it is great to do some price comparison's while out and about, but to do the actual ordering? :confused: No thanks. I'll sit comfortably in my living room with my MBP and it's larger screen to click that 'add to cart' and 'buy' button.
 
Why are people taking this article as either a personal insult/compliment as to their socioeconomic status? Are we all 15 years old here?

Because so many people on this forum flaunt it like a status symbol. It's demeaning and somewhat dehumanizing. Sometimes I even find the way it's flaunted around really insulting, and that comes from someone that's been a Mac user a very long time - and had quite a few Mac vs PC fights (now I use both).

Honestly, I feel like a lot of people here could use a little love. There's threads where people try to feel better about buying a black phone by questioning the sexual preference of the people that don't have a black phone. That spawned threads with people feeling insecure about their purchase of non-black phones...

It's like, you know, people feel insecure or buyer's remorse or something, and they need to confirm their choice by being gross to anyone that didn't get what they got.
 
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Like someone has already pointed out, it's about online shopping. So all it's really saying is more people shop online using their iPhones. It's like saying more people play Angry Birds on an Android device and saying it's more popular.

Useless article really...

I tend to agree. The headline might have been written more clearly to denote the true contents inside; the article speaks of purchases made from devices on a single day during the holiday shopping season, Christmas Day (2013 implied).

A single day does not constitute Holiday Shopping (implied season).

And the irony is some readers might argue that Christmas Day itself is not part of the shopping season as it transitions to returns and the post-holiday market.

While the title "iOS Users Outshop Android Users on Christmas Day in U.S." might have been more accurate, it doesn't sound like the type of article I would have taken the time to read.

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http://www.google.ca/analytics/

not their business at all?

No, it IS their business (yes, they do sell ad space too though)

Why they want iOS is because it's a walled garden that they've slowly had data puled from them. no more google maps. no more google services. google now that can't access most of your data. it's like a black whole of data to them that they just can't get to. thats lost revnue and profit as it means without getting on iOS, it's just data they can't analyse.

Dude, you have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about. The previous poster was saying Google sells data. They don't. They make their money by selling ads. They are an ad company plain and simple. Over 90% of their income is from selling ads. Even when you are not at Google's site, the tons of ads all across the web being pushed in your face are likely from Google.

The Google Analytics link you posted is not about selling data either. Google Analytics is a tool that allows people to collect and analyze data on their site. Google's tool allows companies to track you and invade your privacy all over the web and they send that data to Google (and Google shares it with the NSA as it has now been revealed).
 
Example:

I can't believe how many Pri I see on the road!

It's my perception bias in action as Pri have a definitive shape, and I'm looking for them.

(Pri is plural of Prius)

Firstly is is not 'Pri', it is 'Prii'
It is imitating Radius and Radii
Prius and Prii 'Pre-eye'

But this is not actually a word, it is a marketing stunt. It is not really a word until it enjoys a wide acceptance. And since only 25% apparently voted for this new word. (24% apparently thought the plural should just be Prius) I feel it has yet to be proved that this new word 'Prii' will be accepted.

On a side note, Prius does exist as an actual latin word but its plural is not prii.
Just like the plural of virus is not virii. And for that matter the plural of antenna is antennae when talking about bugs but not when talking about electronics. Then it is simply antennas.

I love the internet, you get to find out all kinds of useless stuff.

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Wrong, Europe is where most of the PROFIT is made.

Oh really?
 
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