iOS wins? Android now finished?

gpatrick15

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Android isn't finished. Google reacted as tamely as they did simply because this mostly involves Samsung, not Google. Google told them not to blatantly knock off iOS with the Galaxy S, and they didn't listen. Samsung brought this upon themselves. The ruling has no bearing on Android as a whole.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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But did Android not copy the iOS lock screen I'm sure they had to change it?
You swipe to do a lot of things from an android lock screen. Unlock, launch the camera, launch the phone, messages, ect. You can customize it as you like.
But again, you have various overlays like touchwiz, sense, blur put on not by Google, but by the manufacturers.
 
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Technarchy

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Finished no, but not everyone is as big as Samsung and can afford billion dollar fines, or risk huge legal battles with Apple

Windows Phone 8 will be more attractive going forward because it basically gives device makers immunity from Apple and MSFT litigation, and the benefit of free marketing from MSFT. I theorize the R&D and support costs are lower as well because there is no skinning work or update headaches either.

To me Windows 8 makes sense. LG, HTC and Samsung might see it different though.
 

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If Windows 7/8 is so original, how come they're paying Apple licensing fees? Genuine question. I don't know the details and am curious.
 

Dolorian

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lol, not close to it being finished. The victory was against Samsung, not Android.
I understand that it was not the stock Android OS that was charged of infringing the patents, but considering that it was Android devices that were found to infringe and it is an Android OEM that was found guilty and could end up with it's Android devices being banned, how was Apple's win not a blow to Android?

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If Windows 7/8 is so original, how come they're paying Apple licensing fees? Genuine question. I don't know the details and am curious.
One would need to first inquire what those fees Microsoft is paying for cover. It doesn't means the whole OS but just some specific features that they licensed from Apple.
 

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I understand that it was not the stock Android OS that was charged of infringing the patents, but considering that it was Android devices that were found to infringe and it is an Android OEM that was found guilty and could end up with it's Android devices being banned, how was Apple's win not a blow to Android?

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One would need to first inquire what those fees Microsoft is paying for cover. It doesn't means the whole OS but just some specific features that they licensed from Apple.

The were awarded the equivalent of 1% of their global revenue and they are ultimately going to get devices banned that don't even matter anymore.
 

Dolorian

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The were awarded the equivalent of 1% of their global revenue and they are ultimately going to get devices banned that don't even matter anymore.
Samsung shares dropped 12 billion after Apple won the case. Their image has also been negatively affected by this (I think Apple's too, but that's another matter). This loss is not a good thing for Samsung, who at present is the biggest and market leading Android OEM, by extension it is not a good thing for Android either.

You can bet that already Samsung and other Android OEM are going back to the drawing board, so to speak, to revise the products they had in development in order to avoid getting dragged into the courts by Apple. This leads to products delays and more money wasted in R&D by them.
 

Mac.World

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But did Android not copy the iOS lock screen I'm sure they had to change it?
And Apple willfully copied the 'open camera' on the lock screen via swipe. So? And I am actually glad Samsung doesn't follow the same type of lock screen that Apple has. The S3's lock screen is a million times better looking, better sounding, and animated with a very nice ripple effect. Apple's lock screen is frankly very utilitarian and dull. Probably why it is one of the first things jailbreaks change.
 

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I understand that it was not the stock Android OS that was charged of infringing the patents, but considering that it was Android devices that were found to infringe and it is an Android OEM that was found guilty and could end up with it's Android devices being banned, how was Apple's win not a blow to Android?
I wasnt aware that Samsung was the only one that had Android on their phones. Silly me.

As for some of their phones being banned. OK, so the Galaxy S 4G gets banned? Who cares, Its two years old and 25 phones ago that came out with Android. Now the GS2 is also on the list but the GS3 isnt and isnt going to be and neither will the newest Nexus phones coming out soon or the Nexus 7 or Galaxy Tab 2 10.1

I dont see how this will affect Android much, if at all...especially when there is going to be an appeal very soon.
 

Mac.World

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Finished no, but not everyone is as big as Samsung and can afford billion dollar fines, or risk huge legal battles with Apple

Windows Phone 8 will be more attractive going forward because it basically gives device makers immunity from Apple and MSFT litigation, and the benefit of free marketing from MSFT. I theorize the R&D and support costs are lower as well because there is no skinning work or update headaches either.

To me Windows 8 makes sense. LG, HTC and Samsung might see it different though.
First, this won't ever effect Samsung. Every phone in question is or will be obsolete before anything ever happens. Second, this only has an effect in the U.S. and will likely be overruled by a court not in Apple's backyard or forced back to Judge Koh (like so many 9th circuit rulings are) or Judge Koh may simply toss the verdict out.

Google and Android will continue on dominating the market. Most people in the US have no idea there was a court case (the very small minority that follows this stuff are about the only ones that know anything about it) and the rest of the world doesn't care, as it has zero effect on them. If anything, this has made Samsung a more common name around the world.

Apple has a lot of dedicated followers and the new iPhone will sell well, but don't fool yourself, people get tired of seeing the same crap year after year. This is a fast moving market and Apple is moving very slow. They keep going like this and even they will see their fan base move on. Look at RIM and Nokia as prime examples of companies refusing to keep up. (And I am not saying Apple will go bankrupt. Just that their mobile phone marketshare will continue to go down and ONLY that portion of their business.)
 

Mac.World

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Way to completely miss the point.




I bet Samsung does, for a start.
The Galaxy s 4g is a 2 year old phone that only t-mobile is still selling. Banning this phone would be the equivalent of banning the iphone 3g. And this ONLY effects sales in the US. Most of the phones Apple want banned, have sold less than 3 million units combined, excluding the Galaxy S2 variants.
 

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Way to completely miss the point.




I bet Samsung does, for a start.
How did i miss the point when you said Samsung losing to Apple will affect Android and possibly be finished?
Android runs in MANY other devices, not just Samsungs and not all Samsungs devices are being sought to be banned. Only 8 and 7 of those are different types of GS2's with different names while the newest ones arent going to be with new ones coming soon.

Im sure they care more that they lost.

Your thread is baseless.
 

Dolorian

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The galaxy S 4G? No they really don't.
Any company cares about getting their product banned, it doesn't matters which product it is. Specially if it is banned because they lost in a trial and were found guilty of infringing patents. To say that Samsung doesn't cares or that it doesn't matters because the banned products are old is very shortsighted.

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How did i miss the point when you said Samsung losing to Apple will affect Android and possibly be finished?
That it will affect Android, definitely, that much I said. That Android is finished because of this, I didn't say.


Your thread is baseless and lame.
This is not my thread.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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It already did...

Samsung shares drop $12 billion after Apple's court victory

You guys are looking at this on a really superficial level. It is not about the products that are banned being two year old or obsolete, it is a tad bit more profound than that.

Actually it was about products that are 2yrs old. If you think Samsung doesn't have 4 phones that could be built in less than 3 months if needed you're nuts.
 

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It already did...

Samsung shares drop $12 billion after Apple's court victory

You guys are looking at this on a really superficial level. It is not about the products that are banned being two year old or obsolete, it is a tad bit more profound than that.
Sure their shares went down Friday and maybe today. They will bounce back when appeals go on and they release their newest Nexus phones which will be soon.

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Any company cares about getting their product banned, it doesn't matters which product it is. Specially if it is banned because they lost in a trial and were found guilty of infringing patents. To say that Samsung doesn't cares or that it doesn't matters because the banned products are old is very shortsighted.

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That it will affect Android, definitely, that much I said. That Android is finished because of this, I didn't say.
OK, if you say so. Im sure they care but it isnt like the GS3 is getting banned. Its a two year old GS4G that 1 carrier sells here in the USA. And nothing is banned yet either. Apple beat Samsung, not Google and Android.

I know your hoping it to be so, but it isnt.
 

BoxerGT2.5

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Any company cares about getting their product banned, it doesn't matters which product it is. Specially if it is banned because they lost in a trial and were found guilty of infringing patents. To say that Samsung doesn't cares or that it doesn't matters because the banned products are old is very shortsighted.

Here in lies the difference between a company that makes multiple handsets vs. a company that makes one handset. Sure it might be a black eye or an embarrassment if you will, but it's insane to think they're crying about phones that in the android world that are very old news and sold by one second tier carrier (SG4S).