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Kingofclouds

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I have seen rumours of a 10.5" iPad to replace the 9.7......why would this be a thing? What advantages would there be in changes the screen size by so little? Seems like more fragmentation that isn't needed.
 

sjleworthy

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i think the current rumor is to launch the 10.5" along side the 9.7 and 12.9 inchers, while halting dev on the mini.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/24/apple-launch-10-5-inch-ipad-in-2017/

i personally agree with you. the 9.7" has proved time and again to be the popular choice, so why a 10.5"? the sizing up until 12.9" then seems a bit pointless and overkill.

and if the rumors are true, it'll be a shame to loose the mini. i think the current size gaps of 7.9, 9.7 + 12.9 are just peachy. large enough to make a difference over the next and each has it's niche. i think the 10.5 is not needed personally speaking.
 
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Kingofclouds

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The Mini 4 is still a great device and fits well in the line. I think its wrong that the Plus iPhone is compared to iPad Mini.....the software is far more optimised for apps like youtube etc

It would be extremely disappointing to loose it....having a 9.7 and 10.5 makes no sense but these days who knows.
 

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I have seen a couple of articles that talk about that 10.5 perhaps being targeted to enterprise sales.
Something about that screen size being a good "fit" for forms and exact-size pages, I think.
 
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Nick11Mac

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Apple has lost the focus or intent of the iPad. The consumer should not have to wonder. According to a thoughtful analysis by Ian Smyth https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anyt...not-have-approved/answer/Ian-Smyth-2?srid=NO0

"Jobs specifically told us why it existed in January 2010. Until he died, the device was marketed to us based off those specific capabilities. The bezel around the iPad existed for a reason: so your thumb wouldn't take up screen real estate. That way you could “hold the Internet in your hands”, hold a movie, hold an e-mail, and so on. It was a deeply personal, intimate, and powerful experience."
 

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If it's true I'll be scratching my head why.. the current line up is good and each device suits a need based on its size. 1 more inch isn't going to interest me and I feel it would flop without any real purpose to fulfill.
 

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I have seen rumours of a 10.5" iPad to replace the 9.7......why would this be a thing? What advantages would there be in changes the screen size by so little? Seems like more fragmentation that isn't needed.
I feel like the 10.5" would have the screen density of the 7.9", so that I will be able to launch two full apps side-by-side.. I do envy the resolution of the 12.9 iPad Pro but I really can't stand having such a huge device.
 

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Apple has lost the focus or intent of the iPad. The consumer should not have to wonder. According to a thoughtful analysis by Ian Smyth https://www.quora.com/Is-there-anyt...not-have-approved/answer/Ian-Smyth-2?srid=NO0

"Jobs specifically told us why it existed in January 2010. Until he died, the device was marketed to us based off those specific capabilities. The bezel around the iPad existed for a reason: so your thumb wouldn't take up screen real estate. That way you could “hold the Internet in your hands”, hold a movie, hold an e-mail, and so on. It was a deeply personal, intimate, and powerful experience."
With the way iOS ignores your thumb when it knows it's just being used to hold the iPad, there's no need for large bezels anymore.

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Man I would love an iPad like this, except make that one big bezel match the smaller one opposite of it.
 

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I feel like the 10.5" would have the screen density of the 7.9", so that I will be able to launch two full apps side-by-side.. I do envy the resolution of the 12.9 iPad Pro but I really can't stand having such a huge device.

Incidentally, 2732x2048 on a 10.5” display does work out to 326 PPI. So it's not entirely fragmentation in a sense as any app updated to support the 12.9” iPad Pro resolution would automatically work on this 10.5” iPad as well.

I like the idea of two full apps side by side. If Apple can increase the screen size while reducing the bezels, the resulting iPad may not be much larger than an existing 9.7” iPad.
 

DaPizzaMan

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With the way iOS ignores your thumb when it knows it's just being used to hold the iPad, there's no need for large bezels anymore.
While I agree, the quote says that Jobs chose a specific bezel size because otherwise your fingers would cover part of the screen, not because it would cause problems with tapping the screen. With a smaller bezel, if you want to lay your fingers on the iPad's sides, some part of your finger will also cover the screen.
 

bensisko

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Let's not forget that the supposed demise of the mini is due entirely to one person (Kuo) who didn't have a line of site to the mini.

The rumors are all based on Kuo as well. He has a better track record than most analysts, but still not gospel.

As for the 10.5, if they put a 10.5" screen in the same size unit as a 9.7", that would be amazing. They can't quite put a 9.7" screen in a mini format, but it might be close.
 
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I have seen rumours of a 10.5" iPad to replace the 9.7......why would this be a thing? What advantages would there be in changes the screen size by so little? Seems like more fragmentation that isn't needed.
There might be a few good reasons for shifting from 9.7 to 10.5.... (with the discontinuing of the 9.7)

First, Apple might be increasing the screen size but reduce the bezels resulting in a device that is physically identical to the 9.7.

Second (which @hojx mentioned), split-window on the 9.7 Pro and Air 2 results in the reduced "phone" user interface of each app displayed in the split window. On the 12.9 iPad Pro, apps display the full ipad interface in each split window. I don't recall what the cut-off size is, but it could very well be that 10.5 is it.

I just picked up a Mini 4 this week (super deal) to complement my 12.9 iPad Pro. One thing that I didn't consider in that form-factor is that it is so small that it fits in one hand such that when using a capacitive stylus that I don't have to worry about palm rejection because my palm is resting on my fingers that are gripping the iPad, not the screen. LOL (which makes me feel "ok" for not waiting to see if a Mini Pro is forthcoming)
 

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I think the 10.x inch screen is something that will be very appealing to academics and students. Why? Journal articles.

For many in such markets, the iPad Pro is first and foremost a reading and annotating device. But if you've ever tried to do some serious reading in the iPad Pro 9.7, you'd find it is great for books but only great for some journal articles--many, perhaps most journal articles are a tiny bit scrunched to read on the 9.7. You can obviously zoom in but it isn't a great experience. On the 12.9, journal articles are great as it is an 8.5x11 sheet of paper, but with the current design it is too big and heavy to be an all around device you can take everywhere all the time. And reading 1 page of a book with a smaller page size looks odd on the 12.9. For academics, a screen size in between these two models with the same body size as the 9.7 is ideal. Such a device could be an all-around iPad device, also ideal to cash strapped academics not eager to simply buy a both 9.7 and 12.9 for their divergent uses.

Of course, whether this is correct hinges on whether the new size and resolution will actually be more amenable to the display of PDF journal articles, which has yet to be confirmed. To me it sounds like the sweet spot.
 
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I have seen rumours of a 10.5" iPad to replace the 9.7......why would this be a thing? What advantages would there be in changes the screen size by so little? Seems like more fragmentation that isn't needed.


Dell released a 10.5 OLED tablet that one noticed or bought. The Dell Venue 10. Apple wisely partner with who ever made the OLED display for Dell and is no doubt getting the displays at a cheaper price.


Very likely they can get the 10.5 display to fit in a smaller package by shrinking Bezeles.

And a Apple A10X is faster and uses less power than whatever Intel Atom Dell was using.

Gonna try and buy a used one off Craigslist for $99 bucks.
 

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There might be a few good reasons for shifting from 9.7 to 10.5.... (with the discontinuing of the 9.7)

First, Apple might be increasing the screen size but reduce the bezels resulting in a device that is physically identical to the 9.7.

Second (which @hojx mentioned), split-window on the 9.7 Pro and Air 2 results in the reduced "phone" user interface of each app displayed in the split window. On the 12.9 iPad Pro, apps display the full ipad interface in each split window. I don't recall what the cut-off size is, but it could very well be that 10.5 is it.

I just picked up a Mini 4 this week (super deal) to complement my 12.9 iPad Pro. One thing that I didn't consider in that form-factor is that it is so small that it fits in one hand such that when using a capacitive stylus that I don't have to worry about palm rejection because my palm is resting on my fingers that are gripping the iPad, not the screen. LOL (which makes me feel "ok" for not waiting to see if a Mini Pro is forthcoming)
And yet you only listed one...
 

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I said that there MIGHT be a few good reasons. I offered one. Why is that a problem?
Your post made it look like you were listing a few good reasons - as you said. But it was one (albeit good one) tucked in the middle of your opinions and thoughts.
 

Legendts

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Hopefully not off topic but what are the chances of the better camera (from iPhone) making it to this new iPad? I use my old iPad 3 for quite a lot of photography and will be upgrading which is why I am waiting until March.
 
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I think it would also interest me as a comic reader it would put it around the size of an actual comic, the 12.9 is just a tad to big for that
 

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Hopefully not off topic but what are the chances of the better camera (from iPhone) making it to this new iPad? I use my old iPad 3 for quite a lot of photography and will be upgrading which is why I am waiting until March.

I'd say pretty high. The duel camera might be a stretch in the iPad, but the non-plus 7 camera is a pretty good bet.
 
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