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Even more bizarre than the convoluted iPad lineup is the fact that there's a brand new chip factory in Arizona churning out a significant number of A16s. They're still making A16s in Taiwan too. The only current products using that chip are the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 plus. Do they really sell so many year old, non-Pro, no-AI phones that they need two factories cranking out chips for them? Unlikely.

Two things are probably happening in parallel: Apple is developing new products to use the A16 and TSMC is about to transition all remaining 5nm fabs in Taiwan to either N3 or N2 technology.

So where will all those A16s be going?

Rumours say NOT the iPhone SE. It will supposedly get an A18 (possibly binned with fewer active cores)

That leaves 4 possibilities:

11th generation iPad aimed at budget shoppers
New Apple TV
New Studio Display
New 6K Pro-res display
 
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Apple released the iPad 10 in October 2022, and it features a 10.9-inch display and an A14 Bionic chip. It is unclear when the iPad 11 will be released given these recent developments, but 2025 at the earliest seems like a safe bet at this point.
Apple has a dilemma on their hands now. The IPad 11 doesn't support Apple Intelligence unless it can use a A17 Pro, A18 or some M1 or better. That also means that the RAM has to be 8GB. Also 64 GB storage is tight but usable for some. Here's what it's up against.

IPad 10th is $349 using 64GB storage with A14 w/4GB RAM
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IPad Mini 7 is $499 using 128GB storage with A17 Pro w/8GB RAM, supports Apple Intelligence
IPad 11" Air is $599 using 128GB storage with M2 w/8GB RAM, supports Apple Intelligence

Given the cost perhaps Apple can make it work in 2025, but an update to a A16 with 6 GB will just mean it's the only IPad not supporting Apple Intelligence then.
 
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Well, that certainly didn't work for me. I had the option to buy either the new M2 Air or the M4 Pro. I went with the M2 Air, it was an easy choice.
And this is also why the Air exists, for customers like you. Either way Timmy wins.
 
Gurman is NOT an Apple insider. So I hope MacRumors and other sites/people stop taking his word as gospel. He is just like you and me. Really into Apple and their products and everything so we can make educated guesses about products and events coming out. That does NOT make someone an Apple insider.
Ridiculous. Gurman has been very successful with his predictions. For the past 10 years he has accurately predicted the release of new iPhone models.

Did you subscribe to his newsletter? Everyone should if they want the real juicy bits.
 
The A17 is last year chip. It's in the leftover parts bin at this point.
The iPhone 16 uses the A18. I think you got confused there.

As to their own modem, I suspect the majority of iPad sales are actually WiFi only. (Not sure if there are public stats on that?). So not that much need for the in-house chip to curb the licensing fees paid to Qualcomm. It will make more of a difference in future iPhones or the SE version in H12025
Yep I did. But my point stands. And meanwhile the regular iPad struggles along with September 2020’s chip. I mean cmon.
 
Apple has a dilemma on their hands now. The IPad 11 doesn't support Apple Intelligence unless it can use a A17 Pro, A18 or some M1 or better. That also means that the RAM has to be 8GB. Also 64 GB storage is tight but usable for some. Here's what it's up against.

IPad 10th is $349 using 64GB storage with A14 w/4GB RAM
vs
IPad Mini 7 is $499 using 128GB storage with A17 Pro w/8GB RAM, supports Apple Intelligence
IPad 11" Air is $599 using 128GB storage with M2 w/8GB RAM, supports Apple Intelligence

Given the cost perhaps Apple can make it work in 2025, but an update to a A16 with 6 GB will just mean it's the only IPad not supporting Apple Intelligence then.
No dilemma that I see. The base iPad doesn't need Apple Intelligence. The base iPad was the last to have the traditional home button... and kept it until it financially made sense to move the base to the newer chassis. The same with Apple Intelligence. When Apple can put an AI-supported processor in the base iPad at their cost budget, then they'll do it.

Those of us who buy the base iPads know what we're getting. We're not moaning about the lack of a laminated screen, lack of 4 speakers, lack of ProMotion, or the lack of everything that is missing from it that the Air and Pro have. We're not going to whine about the lack of AI.
 
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I can see them waiting on launching an iPad a17, until they have scaled up production of the a17 - and probably more importantly the major holidays are over (including Chinese new year), so demand for the iPhone 16 smooths out.

And no doubt they probably want to put their own modem in the regular iPad too.
Oh the modem aspect also makes a lot of sense.
 
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Pretty soon the cheapest iPhone (SE4) will have better internals than the cheapest iPad.
Doesn’t it already? SE3 has the A15, one of the surprises when released and I don’t think it’s throttled like the Mini 6’s. I thought it was 3GB RAM but having just opened a Macrumours article on the SE3 it says 4GB.

I hope this is wrong but concede that that’s very unlikely. I’ve been planning to get an iPad for a SE3 user this festive season and would get an Air 5 refurb in a heartbeat if it had the landscape camera. So the iPad 11 seemed like the right choice in that it would have this but still be an upgrade on the performance of their phone. The Air 6 is more than I want to spend and overkill, given the user is exactly the kind of person the entry level is aimed at.

I wonder if they spent a few $ establishing production of a slimmer box without the wall plug, or just removed the bricks from the boxes leaving an empty space where they should have been? If the latter, any (most) buyers of that model who don’t read the tech specs will think that it has been mistakenly omitted. Base iPad users are probably the least likely to be abreast of technology developments, including that there was even a charger directive.

Removing the chargers from the iPad 10 before the SE4 launches is the worst kind of cash grab. There’s no extension route for the SE3, so there must still be some time before it needs to happen, in which the iPad 11 would surely come. It’s even worse than not doing what the legislation permits and saying do you need a free wall adapter with your new device or do you have one you can reuse.
 
I really wish he'd retire

The fans don't seem to be paying attention to how much he's killing (killed) the soul here

It's like going bankrupt ... happens slowly, and then quickly

I think people have to be realistic with how a company the size of Apple operates. Apple is no longer a small startup teetering on bankruptcy and leaving a small flock by making products catered specifically to them. You can’t run a company at the scale that Apple does by serving niche markets.

The simple fact of the matter is that Apple is a fundamentally different company than it used to be. The company can't help it. It's like if you went from paycheck-to-paycheck living, crashing on friend's couches, to a million-dollar a year job. You can claim to be the same person inside, but you're not. When your relationship with your surroundings changes dramatically, that filters down into your core, and it changes you. You can't help it, and you can't control it.

Decades ago, Apple was a company that living on the edge, metaphorically couch surfing. Its existence buoyed by a small population of die-hard fans that looked to it for technology and aesthetic leadership. It had a flock. That was its sustenance. That core group that was willing to follow where it led. Its investor pool was also similar - believers (and a few long-play speculators). You don't hold shares in a company teetering on the edge of non-existence unless you truly believe in it.

When the vast majority of the population that drives your existence are true believers, it gives you flexibility to bring that population with you as you navigate your challenges. If that population is small, then the small revenue limits your options, but their strong loyalty also lets you do things. You can change technology stacks quickly (OS9 => OSX). You can kill off entire classes of partnerships (clones). The population backs you, because they believe. Back in the late 90s, Mac users held a special pride. It took a certain amount of personal conviction to stand the tide against "the default". You suffered, and struggled to be a mac user in the face of lack of software choice, and lack of hardware compatibility, because it was worth it, and you "were a mac user”.

The proportion of Apple's userbase today that are true believers is far smaller. Likewise for their investor base. The current user base and investor loyalty is not based on conviction, or a personal identity-based affiliation

Rather, the current user base and investor loyalty is far more grounded in pragmatic self interest. For this user base, it’s a combination of their understanding of Apple products as “good products” and “cool products”, their understanding of the Apple brand as a trustworthy, fashionable, quality, desirable brand. For investors, it’s the typical investor mix - some mix of growth-oriented investment and revenue-oriented (i.e. dividend-oriented) investment.

This is the kind of loyalty most companies have to work with. It’s not as strong as the kind of identity and conviction-based loyalty that sustained the company through it’s dark days.

The problem is that this new, more pragmatically loyal user base and investor base is also what gives Apple its new identity as the most successful company in the world. If Apple’s product quality takes a stumble, some significant chunk of this user base moves on. If Apple’s brand is perceived as less fashionable than it used to be, or less fashionable than it used to be, some significant chunk of that user base moves on.

The user and investor base isn’t a flock anymore. It can’t “be led” like it used to. The company that could forge ahead with drastic decisions, relatively assured that its user base would follow, cannot make that assumption anymore.

Instead of leading a flock, it now has to cater to an audience. This is a drastically different relationship.

Their relationship with shareholders is likewise different. There was a time when people used to argue that Apple should just cash in the $4 billion they had in the bank, return it to investors, as that would be a bigger value than forging ahead with their products. Apple’s investors could certainly have forced that outcome, but they didn’t. They hung on, through dwindling marketshare and sales numbers, because again, they believed.

Are the bulk of shareholders today just as likely to stick with them as those core shareholders from yore? If profits start dropping? Is this new shareholder population as willing to just go along with it? Or are they going to start thirstily eyeing those juicy hundreds of billion dollars sitting in the bank? How much would it take for this new population of shareholders to decide “hey, it was a good ride, let’s force the Apple directors to squeeze some of that juice out for us”?

In this new reality, that original core user and investor base - those true believers - they don’t matter anymore. They got to enjoy the ride from the start, but now their secluded island has been inundated by a population of visitors that outnumbers them by a couple of orders of magnitude.

This new population sets the tone for what kind of company Apple will be, because they have the power in this new relationship.

Even if Tim Cook leaves, his successor is not going to change things back to the way they were when Steve Jobs was still around. Circusmstances changed, the company changed, and that’s just the way she goes.
 
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Ridiculous. Gurman has been very successful with his predictions. For the past 10 years he has accurately predicted the release of new iPhone models.

Did you subscribe to his newsletter? Everyone should if they want the real juicy bits.
Lol is this a joke? I too have predicted the release of new iPhone models every year as well!
 
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Why not go one further and have just “iPad”, where:
- on the horizontal you have small, medium, and large sizes
- on the vertical you have budget/basic at the bottom and then leading all the way up to the “pro” grade models at the top.
So iPad (in 8", 11", & 13" sizes) and iPad Pro (in the same 3 sizes)?
I could get behind that.
 
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