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I also own an ATV2 and I don't see the point in another one until they come out with a way to do more with it. I enjoy using Netflix and mirroring every now and then but upgrading it to 1080p wouldn't be big enough reason for me to get another one. I also purchased one for my parents and my girlfriends parents both of which have been used less than a combined 5 times.
 
I don't want "nearly the same quality" if I can get "exactly the same quality" when I'm watching it on my 52" with bitstream audio to the 6.1 receiver.

In some (many?) cases you could also get exactly the same quality with less space or even better quality, if "they" would use better encoders für Blu-Rays.

“Professional” tools for Blu-ray video encoding can cost as much as $100,000 and are often utter garbage.
http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/archives/328
 
I personally can see a big conversion over to 1080p quite soon. New Apple TV with 1080p support, 1080p content from the iTunes Store, Retina display on the iPad 3, and even maybe Retina displays on the notebooks.
 
I see this as a real issue.

With current AppleTV (720) HD content, once you make the decision to buy or rent a movie, it usually takes about five to ten minutes to buffer enough data that the show will stream. Enough time to make popcorn and get comfortable in your chairs.

But HD or 4K-type content is going to take much, much longer to buffer. Probably a couple of hours for a four gigabyte file. And this is on a fairly robust DSL connection.

Apple may very introduce a 1080-capable version of AppleTV, and a higher-resolution iPad screen. But getting content to play on those devices at very high resolution is going to be an exercise in frustration

I don't know where you live, but it takes less than a minute for my ATV HD movies to load and I see very few artifacts.
 
I don't know where you live, but it takes less than a minute for my ATV HD movies to load and I see very few artifacts.

Same here. I would say about 15 seconds and the HD movies start playing on the ATV2. This is on a 6mbps connection.
 
I know many people who have had Blu-ray players with their output settings set to 480i. I think some units ship like that by default. Stuff like that baffles the heck out of me. I see it all the time. Same thing with HD Cable boxes. People tell me they don't see a difference, then I come over and rewire everything and set it up right and they are like "wow!"

Actually, this is bogus if they use HDMI. Most HDMI devices don't support 480i even though it is a supported format. The minimum they support is 480p. Most HDMI interfaces talk to each other and increase their resolution to match each other. The only thing that might not be enabled by default is 24Hz support. I know a lot of people don't understand these things, but standardizing on HDMI has alleviated this confusion quite a bit.

If someone is actually using composite video to connect their Bluray player - then I agree - they are messed up!
 
Same here. I would say about 15 seconds and the HD movies start playing on the ATV2. This is on a 6mbps connection.

I'd say 15 seconds on a slow day, normally faster than that. Internet speeds may be a problem for some but that doesn't mean the option shouldn't be offered for those who can and would get use out of it.
 
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It's the next logical step. One thorn in the Apple TV'a side is its lack of 1080p output. A lot of customers want to rent and purchase movies in HD as well. I can't wait to see the screen on the upcoming iPad. I may just buy one.
 
I find that the BD rips that I make (direct ISO copies without any recompression or transcoding) average just north of 40 GiB. If you're seeing 2/3rds of that, you're probably stripping content such as the lossless multichannel audio tracks.

That's the entire disc. Not the movie. In average movie only BD data is around 25GB's. And that's what we should be focusing on since we are not going to stream the movie + the extras at the same time.

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I'll never buy a movie costing 20$ from iTunes, even if it's 1080p, when I can buy the Blu Ray for 25$.

Either Apple has to offer the BD quality for people with blazing speeds, like myself, or offer the 1080p 10mbit version at less than half the price.
 
As others I miss more some other streaming provider like Hulu without jailbreak in ATV. Of course I understand that Apple wants us to stay in their garden but still ... My ATV2 is not often used these days because of this.
 
Please re-read - I said "(direct ISO copies without any recompression or transcoding)".

Your comment makes little sense in that context. I have the original BD - nothing lost, no audio tracks dropped.

I don't want "nearly the same quality" if I can get "exactly the same quality" when I'm watching it on my 52" with bitstream audio to the 6.1 receiver.

How are you playing BDMV .ISO files on a Mac? I guess I didn't realize there was anything that could play that on OS X.
 
I literally bought a second ATV2 for the house today and the first thing I read upon getting home is this article.....sucks:(
 
MY biggest issue with them issuing 1080p content is providing us the ability to upgrade if we already have the HD version of films. I currently have about 175 films purchased on iTunes and another 400-500 or TV episodes with over half in HD. I would like the ability to upgrade those for free or a minimal cost....
 
Did you see that Blockbuster is now offering streaming services for a Mac?? Formerly, you could only stream their movies to a PC

My only question about releasing an ATV3 at the same time as a iPad 3 is will there be enough supply of A6 chips to satisfy the demands for both new products at the same time?? I personally want a new iPad 3 and 2 ATV3s. Multiply that by millions and that's a lot of demand for a new chip.
 
Doesn't it seem strange that Apple would launch a new AppleTV before launching the Apple Television Set, whatever it ends up being called? Seems like they would launch together and have similar iOS advantages with the Television maybe having a "killer" feature like Siri or something.

Does anyone think the upcoming announcement could include the Television as well as the ATV? Or maybe the ATV is only introduced now, the Television gets it's own introduction with an iOS update to the newer ATV's to add some features that the Television gets....like an app store or something?
 
How are you playing BDMV .ISO files on a Mac? I guess I didn't realize there was anything that could play that on OS X.

VLC, mplayer, Plex. I've been watching all my blu rays on OS X since 2008. You just need to rip your disc using various tools available for OS X, which break the protection and give you the .TS files unencrypted, which all those apps I listed can easily play.
 
Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!

So when is everyones iPad 2 hitting Ebay?

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MY biggest issue with them issuing 1080p content is providing us the ability to upgrade if we already have the HD version of films. I currently have about 175 films purchased on iTunes and another 400-500 or TV episodes with over half in HD. I would like the ability to upgrade those for free or a minimal cost....


I would hope and expect an iTunes Match type service that "up-rezzes" your library.
 
Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!

So when is everyones iPad 2 hitting Ebay?

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I would hope and expect an iTunes Match type service that "up-rezzes" your library.

I hope they add the cloud to that. Offloading my TV shows to the cloud saved a lot of local storage. I need movies offloaded too!
 
How are you playing BDMV .ISO files on a Mac? I guess I didn't realize there was anything that could play that on OS X.

Is that what people mean when they say that "there's no software for Apples"? ;)

Just kidding. It's a Win7 x64 HTPC. Ballmer's never said that BD is a "bag of hurt".

The .ISO files are direct images of the BD (except decrypted thanks to AnyDVD HD). Mounted on virtual BD drives thanks to VirtualCloneDrive. Player is CyberLink PowerDVD, output (including full lossless bitstream 7.1 audio - sometimes as good as 96 kHz/24bit) over HDMI to the cross-bar AV receiver.

PowerDVD even supports an IR dongle, so the Logitech Harmony remote fully controls the HTPC - including waking it from sleep when you hit "play", and putting the PC back to sleep when you hit "off" or select another input.


That's the entire disc. Not the movie. In average movie only BD data is around 25GB's. And that's what we should be focusing on since we are not going to stream the movie + the extras at the same time.

So, are you going to stream all of the audio tracks, or just some compressed subset of the channels? How about alternate scenes, alternate languages, subtitles, ...?

Where do you stop when cutting out content? I bet a black-and-white only version would be even smaller.

So, streaming is "pay more for less - even if you have the un-capped connection".

No thanks.


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I personally can see a big conversion over to 1080p quite soon. New Apple TV with 1080p support, 1080p content from the iTunes Store, Retina display on the iPad 3, and even maybe Retina displays on the notebooks.

If Itunes 1080p costs more than BD for less quality and fewer features - it could be a very slow uptake.
 
I would hope and expect an iTunes Match type service that "up-rezzes" your library.

That'd be good but they haven't even done it for SD-to-HD as far as I know...correct me if I'm wrong as I do have some stuff I'd like to upgrade. It's been a turnoff actually re. making video purchases on iTunes.
 
Subscription model is the way to go. I'm done collecting movies after what happened to my DVD lib when Bluray came out. Ultimately, as long as I can watch any movie I want any time with little to no wait time, I'm in. I think with iCloud Apple has a good foundation for such system. Around $10 a month seems reasonable rate.
 
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