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Damn, you beat me to the power cords.

They are my favorite voodoo components, although the 1" speaker wire lifters are right up there.
 
A little off topic but I pulled this from Gizmodo's Circular file.

James Randi Offers $1 Million If Audiophiles Can Prove $7250 Speaker Cables Are Better

And here's the said cable.

ANJOU Speaker Cable

And here is a review of the ANJOU Speaker Cable

"Highly Recommended.”

"In extended listening sessions, I found the cables' greatest strength to be its PRAT. Simply put these are very danceable cables. Music playing through them results in the proverbial foot-tapping scene with the need or desire to get up and move. Great swing and pace—these cables smack that right on the nose big time."


Dave Clark, Editor Positive Feedback Online

Really?!?

"Great swing and pace?" What does that even mean? Does it mean that if you had a recording that was not swinging and off pace, these cable will get it swinging and on pace? Hell, my foot gets a tapping just listening to my OEM car tape deck.

See what I mean about a fine line between Audiophilia and Pretentiousness.?

When they said great swing and pace, they were not talking about the speaker cable, but his wife when she found out he spent $7250 for a three foot pair of cables.
 
Ipads are often used as remote controls for high quality music servers. See the following link for instructions on how to build your own:

http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/newsletter/Newsletter_RMAF2010.pdf

man, reading that article makes me cringe. "Put a big blob of heat-sink compound on the top of the processor and spread it out."

and please correct me if I'm wrong, but blocking off all vents, removing fans, etc., and just relying on one slow moving fan to blow around hot air in a sealed cramped case isn't really going to do much, if anything. At least the main storage drive is out of the box, but still.
 
Do you consider iPad as an audio device that satisfies audiophiles? There are talk about expensive headphones and lossless fileformat and such. But, most of us are using typical 192k or 256k compressed files and I'm curious if iPad's audio is up to the high standard.

If you consider yourself as an audiophile who listens to music on iPad, what's your opinion on this?

I consider myself an audiophile. iPad coupled with Apple TV and AirPlay could do the job (if the music is lossless). Standalone? I won't bother.
 
I consider myself an audiophile. iPad coupled with Apple TV and AirPlay could do the job (if the music is lossless). Standalone? I won't bother.
The main point of stand alone is for times away from home. I took my iPad and uDac (combination DAC/amp) on a trip over the summer and was happy to have decent sound quality on the road. I like my iPad to be portable at home, so I rarely strap it to a USB DAC.

I have Atv2, but audiophiles may not like the 48 kHz conversion that the ATV2 does. A direct USB connection is 44.1 bits and so is the Airport Express...in other words, if you use lossless from ripped CD, the ATV2 is not bit perfect.
 
Cambridge audio id100 Dock

It does pretty much every output under the sun and is designed to fit the iPad just fine. If I was building up a nice setup this would be the thing to get. It's not cheap but considering what it's capable of (it even comes with a remote) it seems suitably priced.

People complain about the price of these kind of docks but to be honest they are pretty cheap compared to the amount people spend on audiophile/hifi gear. Basically this dock when paired with a decent DAC would be more than plenty to make the iPad a suitable audiophile device.

I kind of agree with others who say that it works better to have the iPad as a remote though, but it all depends on what someone wants and how complex they want the setup to be.
 
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Do you consider iPad as an audio device that satisfies audiophiles? There are talk about expensive headphones and lossless fileformat and such. But, most of us are using typical 192k or 256k compressed files and I'm curious if iPad's audio is up to the high standard.

If you consider yourself as an audiophile who listens to music on iPad, what's your opinion on this?
If you have lossless on your iPad and connect it via a dock to a quality amp then yes, of course, it will sound great.
I'm not sure why you would want to do this though. If you just want to browse/select from your library on your iPad then a better way would be to just use it as a remote for iTunes, PLEX, etc and have the music playing from your Mac or PC via optical.

A little off topic but I pulled this from Gizmodo's Circular file.

James Randi Offers $1 Million If Audiophiles Can Prove $7250 Speaker Cables Are Better

And here's the said cable.

ANJOU Speaker Cable

And here is a review of the ANJOU Speaker Cable

"Highly Recommended.”

"In extended listening sessions, I found the cables' greatest strength to be its PRAT. Simply put these are very danceable cables. Music playing through them results in the proverbial foot-tapping scene with the need or desire to get up and move. Great swing and pace—these cables smack that right on the nose big time."


Dave Clark, Editor Positive Feedback Online

Really?!?

"Great swing and pace?" What does that even mean? Does it mean that if you had a recording that was not swinging and off pace, these cable will get it swinging and on pace? Hell, my foot gets a tapping just listening to my OEM car tape deck.

See what I mean about a fine line between Audiophilia and Pretentiousness.?
This kind of nonsense is why I only ever bought one copy of What Hi-Fi (years ago, when I was first interested in buying a "proper" stereo). They are still at it.
http://www.whathifi.com/Review/QED-Performance-Optical/ an optical cable with "subdued bass". Of course. Whatever you say :rolleyes:
 
Below is a link to the $99 Pure i-20 that will work with the iPod or iPad (although I have read that the remote doesn't work with the iPad). It will get you a digital signal and component/composite video out. It also has its own DAC if you do not have a separate one to use:

http://store.pure.com/store/pure/en_US/pd/productID.221628800

This is the cheapest way to get digital out from an iPod that I know of. As I mentioned, if you already have a DAC with a USB input, you can just buy a camera connector to get digital out from an iPad (although, I am not sure if there is a way to charge it).

The Pure makes a lot of sense if you want to have a portable setup with decent sound for taking on trips, moving to the kitchen, work, sunroom, etc.. without setting up another wireless access point/streamer.
 
There are many "docks" for the iPod/iPad, but want you want for audiophile is a bit-perfect transport, which requires a proprietary license from Apple. Wadia makes such a dock which retrieves bit-perfect audio from the iPad, by-passing the iPad's internal amp and dac. You then connect to your audiophile DAC/AMP system.

http://wadia.com/products/transports/171i/compatibility.php

Also, onkyo ns-d1 is another bit-perfect dock, though I'm not sure if it's compatible with the iPad.

Personally, I prefer using the iPad merely as a iTunes remote, and playing music from main computer -> optical -> DAC/AMP -> Headphones or receiver -> speakers.
 
Would an Audiophile consider ever using an iPad to listen to music?

No

Any self respecting audiophile knows that Vinyl is the Holy Grail of portable media, not this compression crap.

Also,

No Vacuum Tube, No Thank You. Audiophiles avoid solid-state technology like the plague.

There are many excellent mid to ultra high-end solid state systems. The availability of vinyl and the convenience of digital, especially high-bit rate recordings, makes your statement "avoid[ing] solid-state technology like the plague" false.
 
man, reading that article makes me cringe. "Put a big blob of heat-sink compound on the top of the processor and spread it out."

and please correct me if I'm wrong, but blocking off all vents, removing fans, etc., and just relying on one slow moving fan to blow around hot air in a sealed cramped case isn't really going to do much, if anything. At least the main storage drive is out of the box, but still.

Agreed, not great instructions for using thermal paste. The instructions for blocking vents, etc., are solely to produce a quiet server. There are other ways to accomplish this. I haven't seen or heard this server but I understand that quite a few people have assembled this and are quite satisfied. The parts list / CPU are now a bit out of date.
 
Do you consider iPad as an audio device that satisfies audiophiles? There are talk about expensive headphones and lossless fileformat and such. But, most of us are using typical 192k or 256k compressed files and I'm curious if iPad's audio is up to the high standard.

If you consider yourself as an audiophile who listens to music on iPad, what's your opinion on this?

i'm no audiophile, but I do have good hearing (because I'm carefull with it).
I bought a Grado GS-1000 for several reasons. One of them being they fit very good, are light, have an impedance of 35 Ω (so I can use them on my iPhone, an audiophile's horror), and can play music ever so soft and still be able to give me the whole sound, which is more than just a feint bass like my wireless sennheisers.
But the main reason i bought them was because they where 30 Euro's. Cable was pulled to hard and it didn't work anymore. New cable, 40 euro's, and hey presto, they are working like a dream.
Yes the sound is better (more neutral, more open and vivid) anything I've ever heard, even from my iPhone. I also can hear the sound on my Macbook pro 13" mid 2010 is really bad with digital cracks, ticks and other sounds that aren't there on my iphone (same files). But to me it isn't worth $1000.

I think that is the biggest point for most people, not how good it sounds, but how much it costs. A headphone of $2000 must be better than one that was $1000, otherwise you would be throwing $1000 out of the window and there are not many people who are willing to admid they did that. Most people aren't able to hear the difference between two top-headphone's, I for one am not able to do so. But now I have the GS-1000's I will never sell them again. And if they got stolen? Pity, but I just don't have a grant or more hanging around for some good can's. Fact is that $150 sounds pretty good to me as well, perhaps even a bit better, a bit more color, just some more bass in them.

So if you want to listen to music on your iPhone? Buy a pair of headphones, good one's with a sound that fits your classical, jazz or hardcore taste. Read reviews on the internet as much as you want, but just go to a store, with your iphone and listen to the headphones with the music you like and play most. Feel how they fit your head, how they sound to your ears and if you can spare it, buy 100-150 dollar can's with a wire. There is enormous competition in that price range, and you'll probably get much, much more music and build quality for your dollar than with more expensive or cheaper headphones.
And the 100-150 range isn't fixed, if you find something that is 200, perfect, 75 or 80? great! but 1000's of dollars is madness.
Fun madness, and I understand the law of diminishing returns like no other, but it's not sensible.

After all this rationalizing; when I'm in my Stokke Gravity chair link
hanging back, listening on my iPhone to Alexandre Tharaud in lossless or to Mark Knopfler, GS1000 on my head, with a good cappuccino or whiskey within reach, it's terrible weather outside like tonight, wife gone for some tea to the neighbors, I feel totally relaxed and satisfied as I can be. That is a pleasure that is worth a lot to me. Just not $1000 :D

One more thing, I prefer my iPhone to the iPad as it is more portable and I can't hear the difference in sound between them, if there is any. The audio on the iPad might be better 135x, I just can't hear it. So there goes the one legitimate reason to buy a super-expenisve audio gear: I can't hear the difference...
 
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The popularity of the iDevices has made tons of peripherals spring up. The ipad isnt perfect, but you used to be able to get very close w/ the camera kit and a USB DAC that happened to be supported. As far as lossless goes, ALAC can always be used. The fact that there's very little noise in the signal is a huge plus. Some people will write off the device because you can't play anything beyond 16bit/44khz files on the ipad; a lot of us don't care nearly as much.

As far as headphone usage goes, the major problem with something like this or the ipod is that you dont get a software crossfeed like you can w/ a simple netbook. Crossfeeds are a very good way to make hp-listening easier, and it's too bad it hasnt made more of a splash than it has so far.
 
Most people aren't able to hear the difference between two top-headphone's, I for one am not able to do so
I would be surprised if most people couldn't hear a difference because most brands have a sound signature that is present. I am not sure they could pick which one costs more, though.
 
I would be surprised if most people couldn't hear a difference because most brands have a sound signature that is present. I am not sure they could pick which one costs more, though.

I was meaning more the differences between Grado rs1 or rs2. Or the sennheiser hd 555 and 595. Etc etc. Between brands there are some differences in tone, color etc.
But I think your point is more valid.
 
.in other words, if you use lossless from ripped CD, the ATV2 is not bit perfect.

Really? I never see Apple messed up with audio before. Just to be clear: do you mean ATV2 not bit-perfect (output only 48khz) or AirPlay is not?

And do you have a link about this?
 
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No, not audiophile, even with lossless. I used to be obsessed with Audio and rubbished/hated the output of ipods.

Now I could care less. The sound is decent(ish). Sure you hear the flaws but ipods, ipads, iphones all have their place. The best audio device is the one you have with you.
 
I have Atv2, but audiophiles may not like the 48 kHz conversion that the ATV2 does. A direct USB connection is 44.1 bits and so is the Airport Express...in other words, if you use lossless from ripped CD, the ATV2 is not bit perfect.

Right, too bad that the ATV2 works like that. I'm going to stick with streaming ALAC to the Airport Express for now. Oops, sorry for getting a bit off topic.
 
Really? I never see Apple messed up with audio before. Just to be clear: do you mean ATV2 not bit-perfect (output only 48khz) or AirPlay is not?

And do you have a link about this?
I mean the ATV2 is not bit perfect for 44.1. It only sends out a 48khz signal. There are many threads about it on Apple's support forum. Not sure if it uses iTunes to reclock, but Benchmark Audio had a test of 48khz vs 44.1khz from iTunes and there was much more noise in the 48 khz signal.

My receiver has a way to check the audio source feed and HDMI is definitely coming in with 48 kHz on 44.1 sources. I have the optical being fed through a DAC that doesn't have a way to see what the signal is, but I trust the many sources that all say it is also 48khz.

It is a bummer, but I still listen to it quite a bit because it is so convenient. My Mac mini also feeds both HDMI and optical into the main system, but switching the audio output is an extra step I would have to deal with. Anyway, I requested a fix from Apple and I would suggest others to do the same. It makes no sense to have a device that is a perfect way to bring your iTunes library to your main system only to send out a less than perfect signal.

I should mention that I have not done any side by side testing, but I still think it sounds good in my system. I would imagine that the distortion is worse at volume levels I never reach. However, I still wouldn't consider it audiophile quality if it can't send out bit perfect.

While this may seem off the subject of the iPad. I don't really think it is because of one of the best features of the iPad is using it to stream to the ATV2 via airplay.
 
How about using an Airport Express with a toslink to optical adapter. That can get digital output. However I do notice the music coming from the ipad is much less full then streaming from even my ancient iBook G4. I used Apple Lossless files.
 
I mean the ATV2 is not bit perfect for 44.1. It only sends out a 48khz signal. There are many threads about it on Apple's support forum. Not sure if it uses iTunes to reclock, but Benchmark Audio had a test of 48khz vs 44.1khz from iTunes and there was much more noise in the 48 khz signal.

My receiver has a way to check the audio source feed and HDMI is definitely coming in with 48 kHz on 44.1 sources. I have the optical being fed through a DAC that doesn't have a way to see what the signal is, but I trust the many sources that all say it is also 48khz.

It is a bummer, but I still listen to it quite a bit because it is so convenient. My Mac mini also feeds both HDMI and optical into the main system, but switching the audio output is an extra step I would have to deal with. Anyway, I requested a fix from Apple and I would suggest others to do the same. It makes no sense to have a device that is a perfect way to bring your iTunes library to your main system only to send out a less than perfect signal.

I should mention that I have not done any side by side testing, but I still think it sounds good in my system. I would imagine that the distortion is worse at volume levels I never reach. However, I still wouldn't consider it audiophile quality if it can't send out bit perfect.

While this may seem off the subject of the iPad. I don't really think it is because of one of the best features of the iPad is using it to stream to the ATV2 via airplay.

Big bummer. Look like my plan to buy ATV2 must be put on hold until further development. I wonder what is the culprit. OSX seems to handle bit-perfect audio just fine (unlike Windows 7, I must say). And ATV 2 is a perfect device for it. Nothing moves, no HDD, no fans etc.
Or this is the proof that iOS is just not the same as its brother.
 
I'm a wannabe audiophile with a couple good $300+ headphones and many $100 headphones. A good $100 headphone (ATH-AD700, SR80i, MDR-V6) will be a huge upgrade for most, but if you want a ridiculously cheap, high-value audio upgrade for you iPad/iPod, try the Koss KSC-75 ($15).
 
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