iPad Pro iPad has become quite useless and I regret purchasing it

[flashflood]

There's also an important physical difference between a laptop and an iPad + keyboard: weight distribution and rigidity. A laptop's heavy parts (guts and battery) are part of the keyboard, while an iPad's are part of the screen. I'm one of those people who actually uses a laptop *on my lap*, where this really matters. The iPad just always wants to fall over.

 

[jazz1]

I believe it has paid off with iPadOS 16, but I cannot give you any testing to prove so... it's more of an experience. But I've come to the realization that having 1TB of storage is much better having than 16GB RAM.


14" and 16" MacBook Pro are supposedly comparable to Mini-LED 12.9" iPad Pros. Given 14" and 16" MBP are marketed with XDR Displays and has ProMotion.

Heck, maybe I should be looking at the MacBook 14”. Before I retired I had a series of MacBook Pro laptop. Some my own, some provided by work. I certainly enjoyed them. Frankly speaking Apple hardware is sort of a hobby for me now. Some people buy boats 😆

 

[pdoherty]

There's also an important physical difference between a laptop and an iPad + keyboard: weight distribution and rigidity. A laptop's heavy parts (guts and battery) are part of the keyboard, while an iPad's are part of the screen. I'm one of those people who actually uses a laptop *on my lap*, where this really matters. The iPad just always wants to fall over.

You just need a good keyboard case. We use keyboard cases on all 3 of our iPads and on our laps all the time. Two of which are my 10.5 Pro and 12.9 Pro M1. This case, in particular, is nice for my 12.9 M1:

LENRICH iPad Pro 12.9 case with Keyboard 6th Generation 2022/5th 2021/4th Gen 2020/3rd 2018 Backlit 7 Color Trackpad,Magnetic Pencil Holder Tablet Accessories 360 Wireless Smart Cover touchpad

LENRICH iPad Pro 12.9 case with Keyboard 6th Generation 2022/5th 2021/4th Gen 2020/3rd 2018 Backlit 7 Color Trackpad,Magnetic Pencil Holder Tablet Accessories 360 Wireless Smart Cover touchpad

www.amazon.com

 

[Macalway]

I think they should port a number of desktop apps to it. To think they are still expecting us to use ancient made-for-iPad apps that were designed for the first iPads? They could modify the desktop apps to work on the iPad. Shouldn't be too hard.

 

[spiderman0616]

I think they should port a number of desktop apps to it. To think they are still expecting us to use ancient made-for-iPad apps that were designed for the first iPads? They could modify the desktop apps to work on the iPad. Shouldn't be too hard.

A lot of people think Apple should do a lot of things, but the fact of the matter is that the general public would not care, and that's who the iPad is for.

 

[sparksd]

A lot of people think Apple should do a lot of things, but the fact of the matter is that the general public would not care, and that's who the iPad is for.

The real driver is ROI - how much money will we make off of doing X? It's primarily a business decision and altruism doesn't factor in.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

Disappointment is rooted in expectation.

iPadOS and MacOS are VERY different. In that regard, an iPad is closer to a giant iPhone. I don't say that derisively, as many did in the past though. I love the consistency between the two devices as far as where everything is and HOW you get things done.

That said, if you are expecting the iPad to replace a laptop you LOVE TO USE and expect the same "task algorithms", you're in for a VERY RUDE awakening.

There are VERY FEW things that are done the same way on an iPad than on a Mac. That's why MacOS will NEVER be on an iPad. The precision of a cursor, and lack thereof, creates problems on iPad that don't exist on a Mac. One example is when handling certain desktop websites.

But once I got to know and understand how iPadOS works, I was able to ditch my Mac completely.

I love the flexibility taking my iPad from my Magic Keyboard (my main dock and charger), to my tri-fold folio, to using it naked (I have a skin on it) on the couch. I have 20 years worth of photos, videos, docs, etc on device AND the cloud, all on a package lighter than ANY Mac.

I LOVE IT.

 

[spiderman0616]

Disappointment is rooted in expectation.

iPadOS and MacOS are VERY different. In that regard, an iPad is closer to a giant iPhone. I don't say that derisively, as many did in the past though. I love the consistency between the two devices as far as where everything is and HOW you get things done.

That said, if you are expecting the iPad to replace a laptop you LOVE TO USE and expect the same "task algorithms", you're in for a VERY RUDE awakening.

There are VERY FEW things that are done the same way on an iPad than on a Mac. That's why MacOS will NEVER be on an iPad. The precision of a cursor, and lack thereof, creates problems on iPad that don't exist on a Mac. One example is when handling certain desktop websites.

But once I got to know and understand how iPadOS works, I was able to ditch my Mac completely.

I love the flexibility taking my iPad from my Magic Keyboard (my main dock and charger), to my tri-fold folio, to using it naked (I have a skin on it) on the couch. I have 20 years worth of photos, videos, docs, etc on device AND the cloud, all on a package lighter than ANY Mac.

I LOVE IT.

I agree with all of this and will add that it's the only device I own that I can "write" on with the Apple Pencil. I also take advantage of its 5G capabilities, which the Mac still lacks.

Some will claim these limits are artificial and are just Apple trying to sell you an iPad, which I suppose is true to a degree. However, I continue to believe cellular will come to Macs in the future, and the Pencil makes far more sense on a tablet form factor.

 

[ackmondual]

I agree with all of this and will add that it's the only device I own that I can "write" on with the Apple Pencil. I also take advantage of its 5G capabilities, which the Mac still lacks.

Some will claim these limits are artificial and are just Apple trying to sell you an iPad, which I suppose is true to a degree. However, I continue to believe cellular will come to Macs in the future, and the Pencil makes far more sense on a tablet form factor.

For MacOS, does using a trackpad accessory with "digital pen" help, or are users more seeking "write on screen" capability?

 

[spiderman0616]

For MacOS, does using a trackpad accessory with "digital pen" help, or are users more seeking "write on screen" capability?

Can’t speak for others but I really love being able to write on the screen. And I believe with Sidecar you can actually use the iPad itself as a signature pad, but I might be wrong on that.

 

[Mainsail]

When I get disappointed with my iPad, I try to adjust my usage to focus on what it does best. Here what works for me:

iPad is best for reading (books and docs) and mark-ups
MacBook is best for productivity apps (iWork/Office) and multitasking

Otherwise, both devices seem to work just fine for everyday apps, like: Mail, Messages, Contacts, Calendars, Notes, Photos, FaceTime, Safari, etc.. Of course, you can tell by my list of apps that I am not pushing either device very hard.

 

[VaruLV]

Didn't read all pages so excuse my curiosity and lazyness - here's my question - do you expect Apple and/or other developers will start offering so called pro apps, or,let's put it more simply, macOS apps on iPad Pro once ipadOS 16 gets released?
Your argumentation will be highly appreciated, thanks 😎!

 

[MajorFubar]

Didn't read all pages so excuse my curiosity and lazyness - here's my question - do you expect Apple and/or other developers will start offering so called pro apps, or,let's put it more simply, macOS apps on iPad Pro once ipadOS 16 gets released?
Your argumentation will be highly appreciated, thanks 😎!

The potential is suddenly there, whereas it wasn't before. But it's all about ROI. Until major players in the software industry stop seeing it as a device most people only buy to draw pretty pictures and watch YouTube, I don't think there will be the incentive to port desktop-class apps to it.

I think we'll witness a situation where the major developers are each waiting for each other to do it first to see who gets burned.

 

[Zest28]

I actually like the M1 12.9 iPad Pro, it looks like it not only is a M1 MBA replacement, but it will also be the M2 MBA replacement after Apple their latest screw up with the SSD’s.

It is not my main device though, as my main machine is the 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro. But for a throw in your bag, I don’t give a s-hit what happens to this device kind of machine for travelling, the M1 12.9 iPad Pro is great.

 

[Mainsail]

I actually like the M1 12.9 iPad Pro, it looks like it not only is a M1 MBA replacement, but it will also be the M2 MBA replacement after Apple their latest screw up with the SSD’s.

It is not my main device though, as my main machine is the 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro. But for a throw in your bag, I don’t give a s-hit what happens to this device kind of machine for travelling, the M1 12.9 iPad Pro is great.

I get your point. But, when you add it up, an iPad Pro 12.9 + MK + Pencil = ~$1,500 retail. So, for many people, this is not an inexpensive casual computing option when they can buy an M1 MBA on sale for less than ~$850.

 

[prospervic]

I actually like the M1 12.9 iPad Pro, it looks like it not only is a M1 MBA replacement, but it will also be the M2 MBA replacement after Apple their latest screw up with the SSD’s.

It is not my main device though, as my main machine is the 16” M1 Max MacBook Pro. But for a throw in your bag, I don’t give a s-hit what happens to this device kind of machine for travelling, the M1 12.9 iPad Pro is great.

I also have these devices (MBP is M1 Pro). But as I paid $2k for my 1TB 5G iPad Pro, I very much do “give a sh-t” what happens to it, and carry it in a protective bag while traveling.

 

[Ludatyk]

I get your point. But, when you add it up, an iPad Pro 12.9 + MK + Pencil = ~$1,500 retail. So, for many people, this is not an inexpensive casual computing option when they can buy an M1 MBA on sale for less than ~$850.

And so what? I don’t understand comments like these. Yes, we are all aware of much inexpensive options… I can probably find something cheaper than a M1 MBA if I want a “casual” computing option.

@prospervic didn’t have to spend 2k on a iPad Pro… could of settled for a base iPad. People could settle for a iPhone SE instead of choosing flagship iPhones. But in the end, it’s what we want.

 

[Mainsail]

And so what? I don’t understand comments like these. Yes, we are all aware of much inexpensive options… I can probably find something cheaper than a M1 MBA if I want a “casual” computing option.

@prospervic didn’t have to spend 2k on a iPad Pro… could of settled for a base iPad. People could settle for a iPhone SE instead of choosing flagship iPhones. But in the end, it’s what we want.

Yes, people should buy whatever makes them happy. But, we are on a thread titled:

"iPad has become quite useless and I regret purchasing it"​

I simply pointed out that a fully accessorized iPad Pro 12.9 is a pretty expensive option for "a throw in your bag, I don’t give a s-hit what happens to this device kind of machine." So, my comment about other options that might be just as useful (maybe more useful) for typical consumers and less expensive (i.e less likely to regret purchasing) fits into a discussion about buyers remorse when purchasing an iPad.

Anyway, that's why I made the comments that I did.

 

[Ludatyk]

Yes, people should buy whatever makes them happy. But, we are on a thread titled:

"iPad has become quite useless and I regret purchasing it"​

I simply pointed out that a fully accessorized iPad Pro 12.9 is a pretty expensive option for "a throw in your bag, I don’t give a s-hit what happens to this device kind of machine." So, my comment about other options that might be just as useful (maybe more useful) for typical consumers and less expensive (i.e less likely to regret purchasing) fits into a discussion about buyers remorse when purchasing an iPad.

Anyway, that's why I made the comments that I did.

Yeah, but respectfully you replied to a comment. And they didn’t ask for any suggestion on what would be a better option.

It would be one thing… if someone asks “hey I’m looking for a device… can someone help me on this matter.“ But the comment you replied to is only stating what their preferences are.

 

[Mainsail]

Yeah, but respectfully you replied to a comment. And they didn’t ask for any suggestion on what would be a better option.

It would be one thing… if someone asks “hey I’m looking for a device… can someone help me on this matter.“ But the comment you replied to is only stating what their preferences are.

I guess we will have to respectfully disagree. I believe my comments were appropriate in the context of the title for this thread.

 

[Zest28]

Yes, people should buy whatever makes them happy. But, we are on a thread titled:

"iPad has become quite useless and I regret purchasing it"​

I simply pointed out that a fully accessorized iPad Pro 12.9 is a pretty expensive option for "a throw in your bag, I don’t give a s-hit what happens to this device kind of machine." So, my comment about other options that might be just as useful (maybe more useful) for typical consumers and less expensive (i.e less likely to regret purchasing) fits into a discussion about buyers remorse when purchasing an iPad.

Anyway, that's why I made the comments that I did.

My 512 GB 12.9 M1 iPad Pro is $100 cheaper than a M2 MBA 512 GB, so the replacement cost would be lower in case it breaks. No need to buy a pencil or keyboard twice if the iPad breaks.

At the same time, the MBA is more likely to break as it has no case.

Also AppleCare+ on the 12.9 M1 iPad Pro is cheaper than the AppleCare of the M2 MacBook Air.

So I don’t see how the iPad is expensive in case s-hit happens to it. The alternative (M2 MBA) would be more expensive if s-hit happens.

 

[Mainsail]

My 512 GB 12.9 M1 iPad Pro is $100 cheaper than a M2 MBA 512 GB, so the replacement cost would be lower in case it breaks. No need to buy a pencil or keyboard twice if the iPad breaks.

At the same time, the MBA is more likely to break as it has no case.

Also AppleCare+ on the 12.9 M1 iPad Pro is cheaper than the AppleCare of the M2 MacBook Air.

So I don’t see how the iPad is expensive in case s-hit happens to it. The alternative (M2 MBA) would be more expensive if s-hit happens.

Good points. I was thinking of the acquisition cost of a base M1 iPad 12.9 (128GB) with accessories compared to a base M1 MBA (256GB) for light day to day use. Of course, if your iPad is lost or stolen (stuff happens), then you face a different dilemma then simply replacing the iPad. But, like I said, you make some good points that I did not consider.

 

[Mainsail]

I came across Steve Job's 2010 iPad launch introduction. I love the way he describes how the iPad fits into the void between the smartphone and the laptop. Jobs is a salesman, but he does a great job of showing the different use scenarios where the iPad can really shine. Of course, the iPad has become a much more capable device......lighter, faster, thinner, more base storage, lower base price, cameras, etc.. And, iPadOS has added numerous features: e.g. slide-over, side by side, universal control, files, mark-ups, mouse-like pointer, etc.. But, at its core, I think much of what was presented in 2010 still applies. I suspect folks would be much less likely to be disappointed in their iPad if they used it in the middle lane that Steve described.

 

[Ludatyk]

I guess we will have to respectfully disagree. I believe my comments were appropriate in the context of the title for this thread.

Agree to Disagree.

Yeah, you are applying your comment to the context of the title for which it does makes sense… “iPads are quite useless and I regret purchasing.” And as a standalone comment it totally makes sense, but I’m only stating you are replying to an individual who isn’t looking for any suggestions.

Of course, the iPad has become a much more capable device......lighter, faster, thinner, more base storage, lower base price, cameras, etc.. And, iPadOS has added numerous features: e.g. slide-over, side by side, universal control, files, mark-ups, mouse-like pointer, etc.. But, at its core, I think much of what was presented in 2010 still applies. I suspect folks would be much less likely to be disappointed in their iPad if they used it in the middle lane that Steve described.

The iPad Pro gets such a raw deal… it cannot live up to laptop whereas its ceiling is a tablet and nothing more. However, my belief is that a customer should choose whatever that works for them.

 

[spiderman0616]

I came across Steve Job's 2010 iPad launch introduction. I love the way he describes how the iPad fits into the void between the smartphone and the laptop. Jobs is a salesman, but he does a great job of showing the different use scenarios where the iPad can really shine. Of course, the iPad has become a much more capable device......lighter, faster, thinner, more base storage, lower base price, cameras, etc.. And, iPadOS has added numerous features: e.g. slide-over, side by side, universal control, files, mark-ups, mouse-like pointer, etc.. But, at its core, I think much of what was presented in 2010 still applies. I suspect folks would be much less likely to be disappointed in their iPad if they used it in the middle lane that Steve described.

I agree and I will take it even one peg further and say that does not mean you CAN’T ditch your laptop for an iPad. Most people probably can! But that doesn’t mean it has to physically BE a laptop. This is the mental hurdle people can’t get over.