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So far this is just a rumor, time will tell. Apple can’t win, everyone is in a hissy fit over it’s proprietary stuff, then everyone is in a hissy fit over Apple opening up to more open standards if one of their devices looses functionality. IF this rumor is true, I expect Apple will make new iPads that can run Matter. Which will generate more outrage in 3, 2, 1… 😉
 
bad - have an ipad pro with ethernet on the wall as a home-automation panel.
An ideal home hub as well …
 
I don’t like How Apple removes these features and not say a word. Hoping people won’t find out. It would be nice if Apple can give us an explanation why it’s being removed or dropped.
Sorry, I had to laugh at this one. Apple has given us the universal explanation for everything it removes when it did so with the iPhone headphone jack: they’re “courageous.” Did you expect more details? See the humor?
 
That's reasonable in some ways — it just doesn't seem like a wise choice to leave the battery plugged in / staying nearly fully charged the whole time.

By the same token, it's not uncommon to find MacBook users leaving their Macs always plugged in to have the batteries swollen. Part of the reason for some people is to minimise the charge cycle for a higher resell value, but in fact they do so at the expense of the battery health (the chemicals have to move from time to time), or even fire safety:

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source: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/is-this-a-swollen-battery.2231637/

As long as there isn't an option for the user to manually stop the built-in battery from charging / at say 50%, there's no reason for a device to be deemed as a desktop / fixed device acting as a home hub.

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As a side note, Mac users may find apps like Charge Limiter, AlDente, BatteryStatusShow useful for controlling how much the battery is charged for leaving it plugged in for a longer period of time.
I wish an App like AlDente existed for IOS devices. Even my Samsung S10+ has a built-in setting to limit battery charge to 80%.
 
That's reasonable in some ways — it just doesn't seem like a wise choice to leave the battery plugged in / staying nearly fully charged the whole time.

By the same token, it's not uncommon to find MacBook users leaving their Macs always plugged in to have the batteries swollen. Part of the reason for some people is to minimise the charge cycle for a higher resell value, but in fact they do so at the expense of the battery health (the chemicals have to move from time to time), or even fire safety:

macbook-pro-15-2018-i9-png.909487

source: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/is-this-a-swollen-battery.2231637/

As long as there isn't an option for the user to manually stop the built-in battery from charging / at say 50%, there's no reason for a device to be deemed as a desktop / fixed device acting as a home hub.

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As a side note, Mac users may find apps like Charge Limiter, AlDente, BatteryStatusShow useful for controlling how much the battery is charged for leaving it plugged in for a longer period of time.
I usually leave my MacBook plugged in, primarily because I work from my desk and have no reason to unplug it to move around.

Your post has me concerned though - are you saying I should unplug it and let the battery deplete and charge back up?
 
iOS devices do this by default now though right?
Not really. IOS learns the typical usage pattern and based on that charges the device to 80% first, and then just before the usual end of charge cycle, charges the device to 100%. This is fine for a typical overnight phone charge before the day begins, but not ideal for a device that stays on charge most of the time.

My Samsung phone and tablet has a built-in setting which stops charging altogether at 85% when activated. This is much better than charging first to 80% than to 100%.
 
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I usually leave my MacBook plugged in, primarily because I work from my desk and have no reason to unplug it to move around.

Your post has me concerned though - are you saying I should unplug it and let the battery deplete and charge back up?
A relative of mine works all day while his MacBook is connected to an external display. The single connection of the display also charges the MacBook. As a result, his 2019 MacBook had its batteries swollen and had to be replaced. He noticed that his replacement MacBook also getting hot while being connected to the display and charged at the same time.

I suggested that he should install AlDente and limit the charge to 80%. Since then his MacBook is not getting hot and the battery stays at 80% all the time.
 
A relative of mine works all day while his MacBook is connected to an external display. The single connection of the display also charges the MacBook. As a result, his 2019 MacBook had its batteries swollen and had to be replaced. He noticed that his replacement MacBook also getting hot while being connected to the display and charged at the same time.

I suggested that he should install AlDente and limit the charge to 80%. Since then his MacBook is not getting hot and the battery stays at 80% all the time.
My display doesn't appear to also charge, so I've unplugged the power cable for a while. Fortunately swollen batteries have never been an issue but now I know, I'll avoid the risk
 
My display doesn't appear to also charge, so I've unplugged the power cable for a while. Fortunately swollen batteries have never been an issue but now I know, I'll avoid the risk
It's a hit and miss. My wife's 2012 MacBook Pro 15" stays on the charger 7/24 and the battery is still in perfect shape. Yet my 2016 MacBook's batteries went down to 60% capacity in 5 years and finally when the case started to swell a little, I had to have the batteries replaced. AlDente is free and solves all the overcharge issues.
 
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I just want the ability to disable Homepods from acting as hubs, like you can do on Apple TV. Or at the very least set an order of preference. (I want my AppleTV 4K 2021 to always be the hub since it's connected via ethernet and on a UPS).

Exactly this!
 
Why??? I always have my iPad at home, specifically for this reason. I have no need for a HomePod or ATV. Why remove functionality?

I mean it suggests why at the bottom of the article - likely because of Matter support.
 
I usually leave my MacBook plugged in, primarily because I work from my desk and have no reason to unplug it to move around.

Your post has me concerned though - are you saying I should unplug it and let the battery deplete and charge back up?
There was a webpage on batteries on Apple's website. It was quite informative, but it's no longer there — though you can view it here:

Standard Maintenance​

For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery, it’s important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time. An ideal use would be a commuter who uses her notebook on the train, then plugs it in at the office to charge. This keeps the battery juices flowing. If on the other hand, you use a desktop computer at work, and save a notebook for infrequent travel, Apple recommends charging and discharging its battery at least once per month. Need a reminder? Add an event to your desktop’s iCal. When your battery no longer holds sufficient charge to meet your needs, you may choose to replace it. If your notebook came with a built-in battery, you should have the battery replaced only by an Apple Authorized Service Provider.

Long-Term Storage​

If you don’t plan on using your notebook for more than six months, Apple recommends that you store the battery with a 50% charge. If you store a battery when it’s fully discharged, it could fall into a deep discharge state, which renders it incapable of holding any charge. Conversely, if you store it fully charged for an extended period of time, the battery may experience some loss of battery capacity, meaning it will have a shorter life. Be sure to store your notebook and battery at the proper temperature. (See “Notebook Temperate Zone.”)
 
Took the effort to reset my long forgotten password just to express my grumpiness. WTF? I don’t wanna buy just another thing, I’m perfectly fine with my iPad acting as the hub. 😒
 
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The homepod are on WiFi and may not be as reliable/robust as a wired AppleTV. I find that when my Homepod mini takes over, homekit video is not reliable and often fails. Apple needs a setting to disable hub on Homepods.
Any evidence to suggest this actually matters in real world use of home hubs? The fact that there is no way to either disable it or set priority order tells me Apple has found no measurable reason to prioritize one home hub over another, because its not the kind of service that requires the best in bandwidth or latency. Its is not demanding at all. As long its connected at all, it will respond to requests. HomeKits performance issues have nothing to do with wireless Home hubs, trust me. They have a lot of issues that are not solved by a wired home hub.
 
Have you ever used HomeKit Automation? How many homekit devices do you have?

No, it does NOT "just work". It randomly fails, for no obvious reason, it multiple different ways. And has been doing so since HomeKit was released.
For the current iOS/tvOS the Automations that are supposed to run when I open my garage door don't work, along with some of the time based one. A month ago with a different version of the OS's, garage door worked, time-based lights worked, but blinds didn't work.
There is no pattern to it and it is utterly maddening.

Not to mention that it utterly stops working when you replace a hub (eg buy a new aTV) then, at some point in the next month, for god knows what reason, it starts working.
Or that the only way I have made my setup as (un)reliable as it is, is to power down my HomePod. Having both that and the aTV fighting over Automations was utterly hopeless.
I agree with everything you said, but it has nothing to do with wireless Home hubs, unfortunately.
 
When my homehub switches to a homepod rather than an apple tv, there's a noticable difference to how fast all my lights turn on or off when using automation via a lutron switch... so I always have to make sure my apple tvs are the hubs. Just having options is a good thing no matter what
Sorry, but no. This is a placebo effect. Home kit has issues not related to wireless home hubs.
 
Sorry, but no. This is a placebo effect. Home kit has issues not related to wireless home hubs.
So what you're saying is the actual stop-watch I timed the automation is having a placebo effect? When I hit my switch that automates all lights go off, the difference was around 2 seconds from my apple tv to my homepod. I'm not imagining things I actually tested it to get the most efficient automation in my house.
 
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Any evidence to suggest this actually matters in real world use of home hubs? The fact that there is no way to either disable it or set priority order tells me Apple has found no measurable reason to prioritize one home hub over another, because its not the kind of service that requires the best in bandwidth or latency. Its is not demanding at all. As long its connected at all, it will respond to requests. HomeKits performance issues have nothing to do with wireless Home hubs, trust me. They have a lot of issues that are not solved by a wired home hub.
Yes, evidence is that I can duplicate this myself repeatedly forcing switch between HomePod mini and AppleTV as a hub.... go search and you will find many others with this issue for years and no resolution. I am talking video streaming specifically... other HK functions work via HomePod mini like turning on/off my lights etc.

Sorry, but no. This is a placebo effect. Home kit has issues not related to wireless home hubs.
Sorry, but no. Not a placebo.

I can also tell more latency when using HomePod vs AppleTV... using my iPhone set on cellular (disabling WiFi), Homekit responds slower with HomePod as a hub than AppleTV as a hub. For lights, it is not a big deal because normally I would not be home while connecting remotely and not notice a device took a little bit longer to turn on/off, but it still is something that is real and measurable. Again, video streaming is usually broken when using HomePod mini as a hub.
 
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