iPad mini iPad mini 2 retina color gamut

solodogg

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Although there haven't been many leaks on the iPad updates this year, it sure would be nice to find out if the color reproduction issues of last year's retina mini will be resolved. I would love to have the new mini over the full size, but the screen left something to be desired for sure, and I ended up keeping my iPad 4 instead of upgrading.

Anyone else in the same boat, or am I the only picky one left? LOL
 

DSTOFEL

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Although there haven't been many leaks on the iPad updates this year, it sure would be nice to find out if the color reproduction issues of last year's retina mini will be resolved. I would love to have the new mini over the full size, but the screen left something to be desired for sure, and I ended up keeping my iPad 4 instead of upgrading.

Anyone else in the same boat, or am I the only picky one left? LOL
Similar boat: I took the plunge on the R Mini last October despite the color gamut issue....used it heavily for the past year,and just sold it a couple of weeks ago. The limited color gamut just about my only real issue with the R Mini.

I Guess we won't know if Apple has addressed this until the R Mini 2 is out in the wild. I doubt they will address this at the launch. I'm hoping to pick up the R Mini 2.....but will have a tough time pulling the trigger if it has the same limited color gamut.
 

saltd

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If they let that happen again, I won't even think about getting one. That was a CFU on their part.
 

kazmac

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The gamut and resolution were the major tech reasons I sold my mini a little over a month ago. My prescription has been holding for awhile, but unlike every other Apple device I've owned, it just was not a good fit for me.

They should at least bump up the gamut a bit, but I speculate they might be holding off due to the popularity and the demand for the iP6 Plus.

I hope Apple tweak the gamut a bit for the many folks who prefer Minis.
 

TheDeviceUser

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Similar boat: I took the plunge on the R Mini last October despite the color gamut issue....used it heavily for the past year,and just sold it a couple of weeks ago. The limited color gamut just about my only real issue with the R Mini.

I Guess we won't know if Apple has addressed this until the R Mini 2 is out in the wild. I doubt they will address this at the launch. I'm hoping to pick up the R Mini 2.....but will have a tough time pulling the trigger if it has the same limited color gamut.
They could just say, '50% Better Colour Saturation' or something and might even brand is as Retina HD without upping the resolution. This would be similar to how the iPhone 6 Plus has a far higher pixel density than the iPhone 6. Here, we could have an iPad Air with a far higher pixel density than the iPad mini.
 

mcdj

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I'm a photo retoucher by trade. I bought both the iPad Air and the retina Mini last year, and saw the difference in color gamut immediately. But I quickly forgot all about it as soon as they were separated.

If someone who is paid to look at and think about color all day can overlook a slight narrowing of the screen gamut, then most people can't even see the difference. I'm betting Apple won't bother changing the screen for the next Mini.
 

DSTOFEL

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I'm a photo retoucher by trade. I bought both the iPad Air and the retina Mini last year, and saw the difference in color gamut immediately. But I quickly forgot all about it as soon as they were separated.

If someone who is paid to look at and think about color all day can overlook a slight narrowing of the screen gamut, then most people can't even see the difference. I'm betting Apple won't bother changing the screen for the next Mini.
Sadly, I'm betting you are right on the money in that Apple won't bother changing the screen on the next Mini because most people can't see the difference.

However, I wouldn't characterize the color gamut of the Retina min as "a slight narrowing of the screen gamut". A Displaymate shootout reported that the Retina Mini has only 63% color gamut (identical to the original mini....which i also owned). That's signigicant when compared to just about every other premium tablet (i.e. most of which are around 100%).

Link:http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_ShootOut_4.htm

I'm wired to pick up nuances and I noticed the muted colors of the mini every time I used it. Every time I picked up my wife's Air, the difference in color reproduction and vibrancy between it and the R-Mini was shocking. If google/Asus and Amazon can manage to produce small tablet's (i.e. Nexus 7 and Fire HDX) with 100% (ish) color gamut, I'm sure Apple can do it. Will they do it is another question. I'm skeptical for some reason.

Here is a comparison (below) I did last October of the same photo displayed on the IPad Air (left) and the Retina and non-Retina mini's on the right. I forget now which is the Retina Mini and which is the non-retina mini. But, doesn't matter, as they both have the same 63% color gamut. BTW...the flowers were actually purple (as displayed on the Air), not Blue as displayed on the mini's.

 
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solodogg

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with as much as Apple puts into talking up their displays, you would think they would be embarassed with 63% color reproduction. The Air has a beautiful screen, the 6 and 6+ do as well, lets hope that they figure out where they went wrong with the mini.
 

DSTOFEL

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they'll increase it.
they didnt advertise 100%rgb only to drop it in their next latest and greatest
When did they advertise 100% RGB? For the iPhone 6? If so, the iPhone 5 & 5S had full color gamut too...but iPad Mini (original and Retina) still only had 63% (ish).
 

teknikal90

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When did they advertise 100% RGB? For the iPhone 6? If so, the iPhone 5 & 5S had full color gamut too...but iPad Mini (original and Retina) still only had 63% (ish).
i dont recall them making a big deal of the iphone 5's gamut though?

this time through, they added a row specifically for it on the spec page
 

jterp7

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with as much as Apple puts into talking up their displays, you would think they would be embarassed with 63% color reproduction. The Air has a beautiful screen, the 6 and 6+ do as well, lets hope that they figure out where they went wrong with the mini.
i always saw it as a subtle nudge to push buyers to the air..or to save it for this year as an upgrade?
 

DSTOFEL

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i dont recall them making a big deal of the iphone 5's gamut though?

this time through, they added a row specifically for it on the spec page
I see you're point! Hopefully this is a clue they are finally headed in the right direction with the Mini's color issues!
 

haruhiko

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with as much as Apple puts into talking up their displays, you would think they would be embarassed with 63% color reproduction. The Air has a beautiful screen, the 6 and 6+ do as well, lets hope that they figure out where they went wrong with the mini.
iPhone has had screens with accurate color reproduction since the iPhone 5, and iPad since the iPad 3. MacBooks since 2012 rMBP. There is no reason except for costs for Apple not to put a great screen on the rMini. :(
 

DSTOFEL

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iPhone has had screens with accurate color reproduction since the iPhone 5, and iPad since the iPad 3. MacBooks since 2012 rMBP. There is no reason except for costs for Apple not to put a great screen on the rMini. :(
IF there are no "significant" updates to the Retina Mini tomorrow:
-Color Gamut issue not addressed
-Still only 1GB RAM

The Nexus 9 that was announced today looks awfully tempting to me. The 8.9 inch display in a 4:3 aspect ratio is an intriguing option....seems like a really nice size compromise. It looks like it is well spec'd with some nice features (dual front facing speakers, etc...). The only thing is....I'm so "hooked" into the Apple eco system and integration...would be tough to by a "stand alone" tablet no matter how nice it is. Very tempting though!

I'm definitely getting a new tablet (i.e. sold my Mini Retina 2 weeks ago to free up some options). Hopefully, the R Mini will see some nice improvements.
 

ron7624

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I'm a photo retoucher by trade. I bought both the iPad Air and the retina Mini last year, and saw the difference in color gamut immediately. But I quickly forgot all about it as soon as they were separated.

If someone who is paid to look at and think about color all day can overlook a slight narrowing of the screen gamut, then most people can't even see the difference. I'm betting Apple won't bother changing the screen for the next Mini.
I don't know if they will ignore the issue, but like you I have not noticed the difference in general useage.
I just don't see it as a problem, hell, I don't even see it at all.
Holding the 2 devices side by side with a colorful picture on display is the only way I can see it. But in general use, every day, it doesn't cross my mind until I come to MacRumors and see all the threads about it.
I hope they fix it, just to stop all the moaning :rolleyes:
 

rkuo

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IF there are no "significant" updates to the Retina Mini tomorrow:
-Color Gamut issue not addressed
-Still only 1GB RAM

The Nexus 9 that was announced today looks awfully tempting to me. The 8.9 inch display in a 4:3 aspect ratio is an intriguing option....seems like a really nice size compromise. It looks like it is well spec'd with some nice features (dual front facing speakers, etc...). The only thing is....I'm so "hooked" into the Apple eco system and integration...would be tough to by a "stand alone" tablet no matter how nice it is. Very tempting though!

I'm definitely getting a new tablet (i.e. sold my Mini Retina 2 weeks ago to free up some options). Hopefully, the R Mini will see some nice improvements.
Eh. 8.9" is no man's land. The mini is just small enough to go into a large jacket pocket. Arguably it could be even just a tad smaller or have smaller bezels. If I go bigger than that, I'd rather have the full iPad Air screen.
 

DSTOFEL

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Eh. 8.9" is no man's land. The mini is just small enough to go into a large jacket pocket. Arguably it could be even just a tad smaller or have smaller bezels. If I go bigger than that, I'd rather have the full iPad Air screen.
The Nexus 8.9 (with same aspect ratio as iPads) is a compelling option for me.....Still small enough to be portable, comfortably use on a plane....and smaller than the Air which I find too large (I prefer portability).

If Apple surprises me today and seriously updates the Retina Mini, I'm in! If not, I'll more than likely pre-order the Nexus tomorrow.
 

ron7624

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I can't imagine leaving the ecosystem. I've got too much wrapped up in it, and so many devices talking to each other. They all work so smoothly together. Pretty sure I'm going to get the next rMini, or keep the one I have.
 

DSTOFEL

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The Nexus 8.9 (with same aspect ratio as iPads) is a compelling option for me.....Still small enough to be portable, comfortably use on a plane....and smaller than the Air which I find too large (I prefer portability).

If Apple surprises me today and seriously updates the Retina Mini, I'm in! If not, I'll more than likely pre-order the Nexus tomorrow.
Just saw the Apple Event: The iPad Mini Retina has officially become the "Red Headed Step Child"of the iPad line up....they aren't even pretending anymore. I'm betting there is no 2GB or RAM and that the Gamut issue has not been fixed. No way I'm pulling the trigger on this one.

I just pre ordered the Nexus 9 instead.
 
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