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iPad mini iPad mini 2 will NOT have retina display, stop dreaming!

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saintforlife said:
1. If they put a retina display in it, their only screen resolution choice is the resolution of the iPad 4. If they do that the iPad mini's will have a higher ppi than the iPad 4 making it even better than bigger iPad. That is never happening. Apple will never compromise their high end product like that or people who buy the more premium product will start complaining that their display is inferior. The only way the iPad mini gets a retina screen is if the bigger iPad doubles its pixels from its current level and that ain't happening for a few years for technical and economic reasons.
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Wrong. The mini has to have a higher PPI anyway because you hold it closer to your face then the full size iPad so you have a greater chance of seeing the pixels.

And because of that its not compromising the higher end version. And they are not going to double the full size iPads resolution again anytime soon. That would make it 4096x3072.


spiralynth said:
Nexus 10 just came out with 2560 x 1600 pixels at 300 ppi.

No reason to believe iPad 5 won't match that, thereby enabling the Mini 2 to get retina.
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Apple will not match that resolution. Will never happen. Everything in iOS is based on 3 resolutions. 320x480, 320x568 and 1024x768, for retina its just a double of any one of those resolutions. For Apple to match that resolution they would have to change the way iOS works and would just piss developers off.
 
saintforlife said:
Let me repeat that. The iPad mini 2 will NOT have retina display. Here is why:

1. If they put a retina display in it, their only screen resolution choice is the resolution of the iPad 4. If they do that the iPad mini's will have a higher ppi than the iPad 4 making it even better than bigger iPad. That is never happening. Apple will never compromise their high end product like that or people who buy the more premium product will start complaining that their display is inferior. The only way the iPad mini gets a retina screen is if the bigger iPad doubles its pixels from its current level and that ain't happening for a few years for technical and economic reasons.

2. Squeezing a retina display on the mini for the next generation will cause heating and battery life issues, possibly forcing Apple to make the mini thicker and heavier (because battery technology just isn't there). That is a design path I bet Apple will never go towards again. The iPad 3 was a mistake and everyone knows it. iPad 4 is a minor patch work job to fix that somewhat. iPad 5 will be the best big iPad ever. It will be thinner and lighter than the 3/4.

So the bottom line is, iPad mini is not getting a retina display for a couple more generations at least. People need to start accepting that.
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I will quote this then revive this thread when the 2nd gen mini has a retina display.
 
The OP is fatally flawed as it ignores the fact that technology does not constantly move forward.

A retina screen on the mini 2 is not a given but there will be one of it by the 2014 revision at the latest
 
I don't see the mini screen being cost effective at retina resolution. It will always be the low cost version iPad which means some compromises, get over it.. I do think that many of the complaints about readability are based on the bad font choices in Safari and perhaps a feature to ask for in IOS7 is some detection of non retina and an adjustment for a larger font. For now I just zoom the page to read the text better.
 
Why can't the iPad mini be a premium device? That's like saying the 13" MacBook Pro or 21" iMac can't be as good as their larger versions.
 
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WeegieMac said:
Bookmarked for future reference ...
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I hope you realize I said, the mini will not have a retina display for 2 generations at least. I never said never.

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spiralynth said:
Yes, I'm quite familiar ... with the fact that Apple deviated from the "doubling strategy" with the iPhone 5. Developers have the option of doing a little work to get an optimal fit, or not; their apps still function.
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Yeah, you know somethings, but not everything. The iPhone 5 is a BAD example. Go read reply #40 to see why you are wrong.

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meechy said:
I dunno, i was told by many people to stop dreaming about an iPad mini, it will never exist.

So here we are.
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I said the mini will not have a retine display for 2 generations. The iPad mini 3 might very well have it. See subject of my thread:

"iPad mini 2 will NOT have retina display, stop dreaming!"

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dlewis23 said:
Wrong. The mini has to have a higher PPI anyway because you hold it closer to your face then the full size iPad so you have a greater chance of seeing the pixels.
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Do you really hold it THAT much closer? The difference in pixel density between a mini retina display (324ppi) vs the iPad 4 (264) is huge. The mini retina display will end up being much better than the iPad 4's retina display IMHO.
 
iHeartsteve said:
Time will tell.

Wouldn't it be funny if apple added retina display by June? I guess people who think apple will release upgrades every 6 months. That would just be insane.
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Mini will be a long term product, so sooner or later the Mini will get retina. If it is a completely different rez then so what? Developers will have some work to do if they want to cash in. Change happens.
 
Apple's hook...

Taking the decades old technology of "IPS" displays, increasing the resolution to a higher value than used in the past, and giving it a typically clever name, "retina", Apple created a "feature" they could hype to stratospheric heights.

Tease the Apple faithful at a Keynote, include it in just one product, and Apple was off to the obvious... a constant slow one by one roll out across all devices.

Seen as another stroke of innovative genius by the public, while it was obvious to those who know Apple best, just what they were up to.

Driving up product prices, hooking the users on a "gotta have" feature, and raking in even greater amounts of cash.

You've got to hand it to them, they know how to control the buyers they target.
 
michelob tfs said:
The OP is fatally flawed as it ignores the fact that technology does not constantly move forward.

A retina screen on the mini 2 is not a given but there will be one of it by the 2014 revision at the latest
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Thanks for making my point. The subject of my thread is "iPad mini 2 will NOT have retina display, stop dreaming!". I never said the iPad mini will NEVER have retina display. That is something people like you who are commenting in this thread are asserting. You guys could learn to read slowly before jumping to conclusions prematurely.
 
People spend too much time on a site devoted to rumors about a "computing" product not talking about the science of computers.

The real questions is, "will it be feasible to add Retina to the iPad mini come April or May when production work on the next revision is due to start?:

Technically the hardware will be there the do Retina. Can it be produced in huge volumes from multiple suppliers is the primary obstacle.

I think it will.
 
torana355 said:
I will quote this then revive this thread when the 2nd gen mini has a retina display.
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Yeah, by all means call me out if the iPad mini 2 does end up getting a retina display. But if the mini 3 gets retina display and you still call me out, you will end up looking like a moron. If you don't understand why, go read the subject of this thread again.
 
There is no doubt in my mind next years mini will have a Retina Display. And I can't wait to bump this thread when it does. It didn't have a RD this year for 2 reasons:

1) There would have been zero native resolution mini apps in the App Store at the time of launch. The new resolution mini SDK will be released at next year's WWDC in June. This will give developers 4-5 months to produce new resolution apps. Plenty of time.

2) A Retina Display, at its current price and energy consumption, would have cost too much for Apple to produce, eroding their profits. For Apple, a product's profit margin is just as important as the product's design.

Both of these issues will resolve themselves over the next year.
 
No retina ipad mini ? Really ? How do you know ? Facts from Apple please...


1. There will be no ipad mini

2. The ipad mini will be called ipad lite

3. There will be no refresh to the ipad 3

4. Next iphone will be called ....

5. iPhone 5 will be 4.3 inches

6. There will be no more MacMini's.

7. Next iphone will be real thin, and curved

8. Next ipad 3 will have 128 GB of storage

9. Etc, etc, etc
 
Do people really think Apple is just going to sit around releasing the current resolution for the next version???

The display has already got a lukewarm device for customers and critics. It's about to get HAMMERED in advertising by competitors. (Apple should be glad the Nexus 7 isn't made by Samsung because their ad firm is doing a phenomenal job and the commercials slaying the Mini would be brutal.)

It may not be a 'Retina' display, but there is no way Apple is going to accept falling further behind in the display curve.
 
spiralynth said:
Nexus 10 just came out with 2560 x 1600 pixels at 300 ppi.

No reason to believe iPad 5 won't match that, thereby enabling the Mini 2 to get retina.
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yes. technology is there but what about weight and power consumption (which drive the size of the battery?). Nexus 10 weight 1.33 lb and Ipad 3/4 is about 1.44lb. So an Ipad mini with 2048x1536 will probably weight over 1lb with current technology and probably add another 50-80 on top of the current price (for bigger battery, another set of back light and higher cost for the screen). I don't think anyone would like an Ipad mini 2 that weight 1 lb (as oppose to 0.68lb now) and cost $400. The IGZO panel is the key, if they can produce at 2048x1536 resolution, we may have a reasonably priced Ipad mini 2 with retina. But Sharp is closed to bankruptcy.. Who know if they can really produce anything consistently now.
 
What if the iPad Mini outsells the iPad and thereby becomes its flagship? That would be grounds for having a Retina display at a higher PPI in the next generation barring any engineering hurdles.
 
nuckinfutz said:
There's just 3 iPhone resolutions

480 x 320
960 x 640
1136 x 640

And two iPad resolutions

1024 x 768
2048 x 1536

In a couple more generations developers will no longer target the 480 x 320 resolution because likely none of those devices will run iOS 8
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Likely none of them will run iOS 7. iPhone 3GS was the last iPhone with the 480 x 320 resolution.

There's one realistic third possible iPad resolution, and that's 3072 x 2304 - 9 times the amount of pixels of the original iPad, or 2.25x the amount of pixels of the third and fourth generation iPads.

That's the onliest, remotely possible resolution at this point. 4096 x 3072 is too unrealistic at this point in time.
 
sineplex said:
They'll have retina quality displays for PC laptops out on the market by January. Samsung already showed a 13 inch laptop back in August. It's just a display, they'll be in everything soon enough.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2617...es_9_laptop_with_retina_matching_display.html
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Yes, but the point I was making is that I'm willing to bet that Apple will be the first to offer its entire line of pc/tablet/phone products with retina displays. Eliminating non-retina products from its lineup. This type of quality distinction is something Apple loves to do with its line... Walk into an Apple store and your only choice is a computer with a retina display? Bummer, huh? (Can't include the iPod nano or classic in that argument, but I think my point has been made)

It's also not "just a display." A retina experience relies just as much on the software as it does the hardware. If the UI isn't doubling its pixels, there's no reason the hardware should be doing so.
 
Payton said:
Yes, but the point I was making is that I'm willing to bet that Apple will be the first to offer its entire line of pc/tablet/phone products with retina displays. Eliminating non-retina products from its lineup. This type of quality distinction is something Apple loves to do with its line... Walk into an Apple store and your only choice is a computer with a retina display? Bummer, huh? (Can't include the iPod nano or classic in that argument, but I think my point has been made)

It's also not "just a display." A retina experience relies just as much on the software as it does the hardware. If the UI isn't doubling its pixels, there's no reason the hardware should be doing so.
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Apple's leading the pack and they've already supported this Retina stuff in developer tools and now there's growing hardware to support to development efforts.

Who really wants to look at pixelated text especially given paying a premium?
 
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