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The people who buy Thinkpads are professionals. The last thing on their mind is useless synthetic benchmarks. All they care about is if it can run their professional software and real world performance. iPad can be the fastest thing on earth but it's useless if it doesn't run the full Office, Visio, Photoshop, AutoCAD, OrCAD, Pro/Engineer, Inventor, SolidWorks, etc. Even for consumption it blows away my Galaxy Note and iPad since it can stream 1080p popcorn time wirelessly to Chromecast dongle. Perfect combo for business travel.

I agree with you.

However, I do think the iPad will have far better performance in non professional tasks, like browsing the web. Again useless, if it can't run the professional software.
 
You, sir/ma'am, understand what today's tablet is for and use it appropriately.

While some of us may want a laptop in tablet form, you have illustrated various ways that the current tool is best used.

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks, that was nice of you!

Forcing a tablet to be a traditional (and only) computer will simply lead to frustration at a tablet's supposed shortcomings. No doubt some users can replace their traditional systems with one, but I can't and won't try. My iPad is a supplemental device that I make fit the situations where it's practical (using a keyboard for excessive typing and embracing the slate form for reading.)

Maybe tablets will evolve past the current form, but as of right now they fill a nice gap.
 
Tablets never made sense to me.

Laptop - full blown OS, does everything, fits in a bag
Phone - cut-down OS but fits in your pocket, makes phone calls.

And then there's tablets. Cut down OS but doesn't fit in your pocket, needs to go in your bag, can't make phone calls. They're just a gimmick.

And the Apple Watch will be the next one.



I used to think the same thing until I realized I could just buy an iPad Air for light work on the go instead of paying 1k for a MacBook Pro when I could just use my iPad Air on the go and use my Mac mini for "work" at home. Spending all that money on a MacBook Pro for light work and you have a desktop at home, now that doesn't make sense, at least to me. ###
 
However, I do think the iPad will have far better performance in non professional tasks, like browsing the web.

It doesn't. Furthermore, mobile Safari can't view a lot of sites such as twitch.tv without requiring an app, doesn't have Adblock Plus, suffers from reloads, lacks multiwindow multitasking, etc.
 
It doesn't. Furthermore, mobile Safari can't view a lot of sites such as twitch.tv without requiring an app, doesn't have Adblock Plus, suffers from reloads, lacks multiwindow multitasking, etc.

Could not agree more. I loved my iPad at first but then realized is was a pile of hurt for surfer the web. I use my smartphone for little stuff but any serious surfing I use my Macbook Air or Mac Mini
 
Zero software innovation in YEARS, decline in sales

Who woulda thunk

That's partially right, still more than half iPads sold are to new users but pretty much an iPad 2 can do what an iPad Air 2 can do and many people are not motivated to upgrade. In terms of jobs to be done theory an iPad 2 is capable of doing today's current jobs so the upgrade cycle is weak. Apple is trying to change this "jobs to be done" equation , first by partnering with IBM to produce top quality industry specific app collections with IBM marketing and support, second, they've created a school management set of apps to support iPad schools as schools are a big buyer of iPads and thirdly there's the larger iPad with new capabilities which Apple hopes will prime the pump for more sophisticated applications. Personally I wouldn't bet against Tim Cook
 
Shouldn't the news be "Smaller tablet contenders' growth outpacing that of the major ones"?

That tablet growth is slowing down is only half of the truth. It's slowing down, yes. For Apple.

I'm a bit surprised over this. I thought Apple & Samsung had a greater grip on this market.

Absolutely, the charts clearly show Lenovo and the Others growing in sales and shipped units. Perish the thought people are buying these tablets over Apple and Samsung..

Plus people dont replace their iPads often.
 
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The year was 2016, but it was them.
http://www.information-age.com/tech...-phone-will-overtake-ios-by-2016-idc-predicts
This was officially labeled a prediction. The numbers published in todays article are presented as facts, but they are no less the result of guessing.

Have foreseen this happening when Intel goes 10nm running full desktop Windows. Modern interface in phone mode and desktop mode when docked so that it behaves like a hybrid/laptop but pocketable. That's when I'm going to switch for a unified desktop/hybrid/phone experience.
 
On the contrary. A tablet can be a very productive tool in the hands of someone who uses them creatively. Just because you do not - does not invalidate those that do.

FYI I edit a specialty magazine on my iPad. The galleys come to me as pdf. I annotate them and make additions, corrections etc, then send them back to the publisher/printer, all on the iPad. We usually do 3 rounds of this type of editing for each quarterly issue. It is MUCH easier to do this editing on an iPad than a laptop, and there are several excellent apps for pdf annotating/editing. That's just one example of a productivity use of an iPad. I could not function without mine. And when I get tired of editing I can watch a movie.:)
 
4:3 is the ratio of books and notepads. I hope they are not going to change it for another mini-TV device.

Indeed. I have a television for that. I read books, magazines, and comics on my iPad mostly and 4:3 is ideal for that task.
 
especially for productivity side of things. I have documents that will never, EVER be put on the cloud due to legal restrictions.

That's what internal or secured private corporate clouds and HIPPA certified medical clouds are for, especially with multi-factor authentication. The documents are far safer there, than on some mobile laptop left in a "locked" hotel safe in France or China (et.al.).
 
Software is the only thing that holding back iPad sales. You can use iPad as a toy to its full capacity, but when it comes to productivity, you start hitting roadblock after roadblock. As simple as putting some images onto an iPad from the office computer instead from your home computer, you will keep scratching your head. And there a hundred such limitations.
Limitations dont hamper iPhone much as there's not much productivity happening on it, though one can do a lot on iPhone, but its not like if you want to write novel you will consider a phone to write on, but you will definitely consider a tablet.
Larger size brings in more productivity, which means people need a bit more freedom to put their device into multiple usage.

Scenarios:
1. You have a pdf in your iPad and want to get a printout from a local shop...? not possible.
2. Have some docs and images in your iPad Air and want to share with your colleague having an iPad 2 (i guess Air too). not possible.
3. You are on the way, you get an email to download a file. you need to download it, sort it and email it to some one else. not possible.

many more such situations i have been with my iPad Air which is power enough to do all of above, but software just let it down.

Rightnow, i don't bother of thinking of doing much on my iPad anyway. all i do is read some pdfs and ebook and surf. I have no idea why we need 64bit processor or retina display and the reason to spend 730$

My thoughts exactly. Even their own filesharing in pages sucks! I shared a pages file with my family, and they can't open it on their ipad! That seems very basic.

the amount of pixels isn't also there to deliver proper work.

an ipad is an advantage in the workplace for certain work where mobility and light annotation is required (warehouse, on the road, airplane,...) and for arts if you think you can use it. =niche!

You need such a good watertight, bulletproof process flow in your business to determine you can use an ipad or not, it's still easier to just give cheap laptops.
 
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Honestly I'm not surprised. With my bigger iPhone 6 I find myself picking it up a lot more times that I used to go get the iPad. I always have my phone with me; the iPad not so much. My iPhone 5's screen was too small to use for long periods of time comfortably. iPhone 6 is a lot better. I can't imagine how amazing the 6+ must be, but my pockets would need to be bigger. :)

When I need an even bigger screen and more functionality, I grab my Macbook; usually the effort involved in grabbing my Macbook is about the same as grabbing my iPad, so the laptop wins nearly every time.

The one place the iPad still wins for me is reading books....but if that's your main use for it there are better, less expensive devices for that.

Apple needs the iPad and MBA to merge into one hybrid iOS/OSX device. Maybe that device is the rumored iPad Pro/MBA Retina???
 
iPad 2 to iPad Air 2

My iPad 2 handled everything easily until the last OS upgrade. Now it's really slow. The Air 2 seems 3-4 times faster, plus its Bluetooth performance (shorter time to connect and no lost connections) is much better. Wifi reception is better than the 2.

Conclusion: people will get around to upgrading.:cool:
 
The people who buy Thinkpads are professionals. The last thing on their mind is useless synthetic benchmarks. All they care about is if it can run their professional software and real world performance. iPad can be the fastest thing on earth but it's useless if it doesn't run the full Office, Visio, Photoshop, AutoCAD, OrCAD, Pro/Engineer, Inventor, SolidWorks, etc. Even for consumption it blows away my Galaxy Note and iPad since it can stream 1080p popcorn time wirelessly to Chromecast dongle. Perfect combo for business travel.

Seriously, what percentage of the computing users run all of the programs that you lists? I mean to declare that an iPad is useless because it doesn't run AutoCAD......how many people run AutoCAD on their laptops? Now, if an iPad is useless to you because you need to run these programs, then fine. But, why do people on this forum routinely make the mistake of assuming everyone has the same needs as they do? It is bizarre thinking.

I believe there are lots of people that can get by just fine with a minimalist solution for their portable computing needs. At the office, they might have a great desktop computer for content creation at an ergonomic workstation, but when on the go, many people are just answering email, keeping calendars, reviewing/editing Office documents, updating contacts, and finding directions. I know numerous professionals that just take along an iPad for business travel.
 
Havent read the thread, will do tonight

Saturation. Most who want a tablet have one, so less "new tablet owners"

Cost. Tablets are generally required to be purchased up front, no subsidies.

Many Cheapies. The market is flat, not declining, or declining very little if it is. Broken down to manufacturers, the many smaller companies are selling a lot more, I assume as cheap as chips. Understandable as new users will likely be newbies and less likely to look at quality over price.
 
Apple needs the iPad and MBA to merge into one hybrid iOS/OSX device. Maybe that device is the rumored iPad Pro/MBA Retina???

Never going to happen.

1. IOS is ARM, OSX is Intel architecture
2. Apple's mantra is a better tablet and laptop, than a hybrid which will be a compromise
3. Cannibalism. usually buy two devices, now just buy one
4. Cost. It would cost as much as a MBA and a iPad Pro, less one screen
5. Heavy, as its two devices with a little weight saving

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Absolutely. Especially, if they want the same kind of success Microsoft had with their Surfaces.

No doubt the Surface is very very good, but the sales are still really really low. Why? Most everyone has a laptop and a tablet, so getting up there cost wise to buy a hybrid.
 
Seriously, what percentage of the computing users run all of the programs that you lists? I mean to declare that an iPad is useless because it doesn't run AutoCAD
Plus, AutoCAD DO run on the iPad. It is the mobile companion, that I presume the guys at AutoCAD didn't design to play in the intervals.

Too many of us believe that professional work is typing short business letters and drawing bolts. There are a few other jobs out there, and they often pay better than a secretary work.

Paolo
 
Sales last quarter

Surface 600,000 (Laptop/Tablet Hybrid)

iPad 16,300,000 Tablet
MB 3,000,000 Laptop


Given that iPad/MB are generally sold to Apple users, and the Surface is generaly sold to MS users, the sales percentage is much lower than the above suggests, as the MS market is huge compared to Apple. Has much much more potential.

Dont get me wrong, the SP3 is a great device. Expensive, and too close to the tablet/laptop that already exist. Not room enough for three, and I dont see the laptop or tablet fading
 
I am clearly not mainstream. If asked what I would give up first it would be iPhone, iPad, Mac. With the Mac being the last and the iPhone the first.

They'll have to pry my iPad out of my coffin! I love it for reading my magazines and watching movies. I'll upgrade to an iPad Air 2 refurb later on, I hope, but maybe not until the 3. The kid down the road who gets my hand-me-downs no doubt hopes I go for the 2.
 
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