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Why the elitist attitude? Someone has just given an example of how they used the iPad to create something that meant a great deal to friends and family. They never once proclaimed they created a studio quality publication. How you can also comment on the audience or responses without knowing them is beyond me. It was an 80th so therefore everyone there must be 80?

Many people, professionals included, have said how impressed they are with what is capable on an iPad. Our CIO (former CTO) and a real advocate of innovation in the IT industry is championing the iPad for it's versatility. Damon Albarn of Blur and Gorillaz fame and very much a music professional has created an album entirely on the iPad using various apps - http://www.nme.com/news/gorillaz/53816
 
i don't think anyone meant to be condescending. the point is that even the words i am writing here are technically content creation, so if we use this definition, then there isn't much to say. the usage is so broad it has lost any utility.home movies are content. of course.

what you are doing is cool, and has meaning. it has value, but in only the non monetary sense.

i think we are trying to say that professional quality content (stuff you might get paid to produce) is difficult to do on the ipad. i am a professional, and writing is a huge part of my life, but as i detailed in another thread, i cannot quite complete a project from start to finish.

i love the ipad, but frankly apple has dropped the ball. one or two tweeks and it could reach its potential!

EDIT: don't mean to come off as elitist. it's just that i see a huge gap between the consumption and creation capabilities of the ipad. many of us do not make music. we make far less glamorous things, and that is where the ipad falls flat.
 
I found it amazing that I impressed a 20+ year veteran of the graphic arts industry by telling her that the whole thing was done on an iPad. Could I have made it fancier in MovieMaker? Yes. Could I have made it fancier in iMovie for Mac? Yes. Did I need to? Absolutely not. It went over very well on its own merit.

I agree and also find that quite impressive. People are quite short-sighted if they don't think the iPad can eventually be an outstanding content creation tool in many fields. We just need to give time for developers to catchup.
 
i don't think anyone meant to be condescending. the point is that even the words i am writing here are technically content creation, so if we use this definition, then there isn't much to say. the usage is so broad it has lost any utility.home movies are content. of course.

what you are doing is cool, and has meaning. it has value, but in only the non monetary sense.

i think we are trying to say that professional quality content (stuff you might get paid to produce) is difficult to do on the ipad. i am a professional, and writing is a huge part of my life, but as i detailed in another thread, i cannot quite complete a project from start to finish.

i love the ipad, but frankly apple has dropped the ball. one or two tweeks and it could reach its potential!

EDIT: don't mean to come off as elitist. it's just that i see a huge gap between the consumption and creation capabilities of the ipad. many of us do not make music. we make far less glamorous things, and that is where the ipad falls flat.

Yes, but my point is that most users are not creating professional grade stuff on ANY device/computer/gadget. And you don't really have to do much to make a slide show look really good in iMovie. People even worse than me at video editing could have made a similar or better presentation than what I just did. The iPad fits into most peoples' lives perfectly for this purpose. The simple slide show that I created with four tracks of music and some old pictures was a smash hit, at least according to the ~60 people that watched it.

Conversely, I have a college degree in music, and therefore understand music to a much more complex degree than GarageBand for iPad will allow me to go. HOWEVER, most of my ideas for songs can be very easily created in GarageBand even with its limitations, and for a lot of things I could fully realize my ideas with no extra audio equipment.

Both of these pieces of software were $5 and both have come in handy since I bought my iPad. We can sit here and try to redefine what content creation means or scrutinize the hardware, but in the end, your common ordinary user is increasingly becoming less dependent on full blown PCs. Being in the IT field, I still need them every day, but when the work day is over, all I really need is my iPad.
 
i don't think anyone meant to be condescending. the point is that even the words i am writing here are technically content creation, so if we use this definition, then there isn't much to say. the usage is so broad it has lost any utility.home movies are content. of course.

what you are doing is cool, and has meaning. it has value, but in only the non monetary sense.

i think we are trying to say that professional quality content (stuff you might get paid to produce) is difficult to do on the ipad. i am a professional, and writing is a huge part of my life, but as i detailed in another thread, i cannot quite complete a project from start to finish.

i love the ipad, but frankly apple has dropped the ball. one or two tweeks and it could reach its potential!

EDIT: don't mean to come off as elitist. it's just that i see a huge gap between the consumption and creation capabilities of the ipad. many of us do not make music. we make far less glamorous things, and that is where the ipad falls flat.

For the record, I do agree that the iPad is lacking to a certain degree as a tool for creation but developers are finding more ways to better use the interface to allow for content creation. There are a lot of barriers being broken down and I actually think horsepower is perhaps the largest obstacle and something that will remain for a while due to the mobile requirements of the iPad i.e. size and battery life. Still a lot is possible, more than a lot of people would realise and it even comes into it's own in some scenarios - i.e. out in the field or even sitting on the couch.
 
creating is not up to the device

its the creator itself.
its the idea.
no idea = nothing
dont blame the device
and not everybody got talent
some thing just come naturally
 
its the creator itself.
its the idea.
no idea = nothing
dont blame the device
and not everybody got talent
some thing just come naturally

If that was aimed at me then you and misinterpreted my comments. I'm talking about hardware limitations for example I did some photo editing on the iPad 2 and was impressed with the results. Had I done them on the iPad 1, I would have been limited to saving the finished jpeg at around 6mp. On the iPad 2 I can save it all the way up to around 22mp. If I needed a full resolution output then I would not have been able to do this on the iPad 1 due to it's hardware limitations - in this case RAM. The ideas about how to change the image of course are down to the user but in this example that wasn't the issue.
 
If that was aimed at me then you and misinterpreted my comments. I'm talking about hardware limitations for example I did some photo editing on the iPad 2 and was impressed with the results. Had I done them on the iPad 1, I would have been limited to saving the finished jpeg at around 6mp. On the iPad 2 I can save it all the way up to around 22mp. If I needed a full resolution output then I would not have been able to do this on the iPad 1 due to it's hardware limitations - in this case RAM. The ideas about how to change the image of course are down to the user but in this example that wasn't the issue.

im talking about me, as i cannot do anything artistic and creative cuz i dont have the vision or even undestanding of some apps work. though im kinda getting better when it comes to games on ipad2 but productive stuff not really.
 
This thread reminds me of the philosophical discussions I used to have when I was in my 20s, such as whether popular music is as "good" an art form as classical or jazz music. People who argued that classical and jazz are better used complexity as their primary criterion: it takes years of musical education and an imagination capable of arranging complex musical forms to be able to write, say, a symphony, whereas anyone with no formal musical education and a bit of inspiration can write a three-minute pop song. Therefore Beethoven's Ninth Symphony is far better than "Yesterday" by the Beatles. People who argued that pop music is the equal of classical and jazz used emotional impact and staying power (i.e., timelessness) as their primary criteria, and pointed out that many Asian cultures value simplicity in art as much as they do complexity. They also pointed out that someone with a classical music education but little talent can write an uninspired, derivative, soulless symphony. By that standard, "Yesterday" is as great a work of art as Beethoven's Ninth.

I used to go back and forth on that argument, generally siding with the classical/jazz proponents, even though my own tastes have always leaned more toward pop music. Now that I'm middle-aged, I no longer worry about such questions -- either I like something, or I don't. I've always tried to broaden my tastes and knowledge, and I appreciate many things (musical and otherwise) that I didn't when I was younger -- but at the end of the day, some things resonate with me more than others. Some fall under what most people would consider "high art," whereas others certainly do not.

So is the iPad a content creation tool? I would say so. Are there things that can be done on a Mac but not on an iPad? Of course. Can some things be done on both, but more easily on a Mac? Yes. Is the iPad a better content-creation tool for some things? I don't know, but my guess is yes, although the Mac is still more powerful overall.

Like the OP, though, I'm amazed at the power of the iPad and inexpensive apps, especially since it's still such a young product. No, GarageBand for the iPad isn't as powerful as GB for the Mac, which in turn isn't as powerful as Logic -- but it's $5. Back in the 1990s, the idea of a useful piece of musical software costing only $5 wouldn't even have entered my mind. I can imagine GB 4 or 5 for the iPad being as powerful as the current version of GB for the Mac. What I'm hoping is that the iPad eventually becomes powerful enough for all my needs and can be connected via Thunderbolt and/or Bluetooth to an external monitor, keyboard, and other peripherals. Then I wouldn't need to own a separate computer.

For what it's worth, Beethoven could have written and recorded a sample-based demo version of his Ninth Symphony on a Mac running Logic, but not on the current iPad. The Beatles, however, easily could have written and recorded "Yesterday" on an iPad running GarageBand. They wouldn't even have used up all eight tracks. If that doesn't qualify as content creation, I don't know what does.
 
For what it's worth, Beethoven could have written and recorded a sample-based demo version of his Ninth Symphony on a Mac running Logic, but not on the current iPad. The Beatles, however, easily could have written and recorded "Yesterday" on an iPad running GarageBand. They wouldn't even have used up all eight tracks. If that doesn't qualify as content creation, I don't know what does.

great points and an enjoyable read.

again, though, i don't think it was really a question about whether it is a content creation tool or not, but what kind of content is possible and practical.

if, as you say, the beatles could have produced their music on it, the gap btw. the ipad's potential and current performance is greater than i thought. i cannot even complete an essay for publication (detailed in another thread). i do hope apple puts a fraction of the ffort they pit into gb into their iwork stuff in the future.
 
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