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Of course it will vary depending on the location, but it seems that Verizon is always better. Take a look at some ATT sample speeds here,
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_...se-with-at-ts-4g-lte-speeds-in-san-francisco/
and a Verizon test here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rueyCgw450g
I would assume Att will get slower as more people migrate to LTE, as they don't want to spend any money upgrading anything.

Actually I think AT&T will be the better solution as their new iPad supports 3G HSPA+ 21mbs when it cannot connect to a 4G LTE network, whereas on Verizon you get dropped down to CDMA outside of LTE and its like 1mbps usually (3 max).

On a separate note I'm SO HAPPY we will be able to transfer our unlimited data plans!
 
You can log into your AT&T iPad Data account at http://www.att.com/ipadlanding

Awesome! Thanks for this.


Actually I think AT&T will be the better solution as their new iPad supports 3G HSPA+ 21mbs when it cannot connect to a 4G LTE network, whereas on Verizon you get dropped down to CDMA outside of LTE and its like 1mbps usually (3 max).

On a separate note I'm SO HAPPY we will be able to transfer our unlimited data plans!


With that, and that, my mind is made up. AT&T iPad 3 for me!

(Knowing AT&T though, they're just spreading this rumor to "bait" us. And then, a month from now, they'll deny all of it, only let us have 3G on these plans, and throttle us after 2.5 GB of usage. :( )

I'm only half joking :-/
 
Well the nice thing for people in LTE Zones is that now that the iPad 3? Can become a hotspot, they will have amazingly fast internet...
 
Well the nice thing for people in LTE Zones is that now that the iPad 3? Can become a hotspot, they will have amazingly fast internet...

Hmm... the iPad 3, as a hotspot, will work with grandfathered unlimited plans, for $30/month?

Why am I dubious? Seems too good to be true :D
 
hotspots

Hmm... the iPad 3, as a hotspot, will work with grandfathered unlimited plans, for $30/month?

Why am I dubious? Seems too good to be true :D

No, the hotspot is a separate service. I'm am sure there will be a separate charge for that even with the grandfathered plan transfer.
 
No, the hotspot is a separate service. I'm am sure there will be a separate charge for that even with the grandfathered plan transfer.

Well, at least with iPhones, the only way to be able to pay extra (which is $20/month IIRC) for their official tethering plans is to get off unlimited and go with one of their limited (ie: 2GB/3GB) plan. They don't offer tethering to those on grandfathered unlimited plans. So I'm pretty much expecting it to be the same for iPads!

http://gizmodo.com/5553135/att-iphone-tethering-an-extra-20month
 
And hey, all we've heard so far is: "If the carrier supports it, the iPad will support being a WiFi Hotspot"

We haven't heard anything official from AT&T (or Verizon) on this front, have we?
 
Month one:

All you can use!

Month two:

It's still all you can use.. ( Hands of CEO start shaking when seeing network costs)

Month three:

Be fair with your data! (Margins making shareholders unhappy. CEO ticked.)

Month four:

If you use more then 5GB you're a dead man! (Account termination button at the ready.)

That won't happen. AT&T owns all their backhaul. Data is pure profit for them. It's only roaming and long-distance calls to other carriers that costs them money. If you're in the former SBC/BellSouth area, AT&T owns pretty much all the communications infrastructure and it's practically free for them to run it.

Their expenses are from failure to upgrade the infrastructure, dimwits who steal their copper or damage fiber, and paying commissions to poorly trained resellers. I could actually go read their 10K filing, but it's not that hard to figure out where the real costs are.

Data costs nothing. Electricity however is not free and always goes up. That's why you see large companies investing generating capacity.
 
Yeah yeah SMS costs even less than nothing and yet the carriers charge for that too. They will come up with any reason they can (and even ones they can't) to squeeze as many dollars from us as they can. Their costs mean nothing. What they can (and do) charge us means everything.
 
unlimited should be unlimited...

I have a grandfathered unlimited data plan from the original iPhone. The fact that they are capping/throttling users who signed up for an unlimited data plan is ridiculous. I spend most of my time on wifi and maybe use 1.5gb a month so I really never end up having a problem. But I feel for those who do. And why would they throttle smartphone users and not tablet users? Honestly a tablet is a data plan. I have a voice plan, texting feature as well as a data feature.
 
Why would they throttle smartphone users and not tablet users? Honestly a tablet is a data plan. I have a voice plan, texting feature as well as a data feature.

Easy, they are in a catch 22. iPad plans are a recurring type of contract, different from cellular plans and renew monthly under terms of the agreement for which they were assigned. Fraud would occur if AT&T were to try to end them or modify them while in effect, and they are always in effect provided the end user maintains them.

Here's my opinion on the legal long and short of it, they cannot. The plan on the iPad is a recurring charge/contract/account tied to the device, not with the end user. Because it recurs, it never ends for new changes, features, or degradations in service to take effect. The reason it is transferable is because it is not with the end user. It auto renews each billing cycle per the original agreement for the device/plan/account. Additionally because it is with the iPad device account, it is valid with any iPad device, it can only be cancelled by AT&T if you use it in something other than an iPad or if you break the continuous billing cycle. It has to be maintained by AT&T or it violates their original agreement that has not expired because it has auto renewal built into the contract. A contract phone user has an expiration date with their service, it is not a recurring plan. AT&T has a better legal leg to stand on with phone services because those are with the end user and effectively terminate once your contract is up, such as a lease on a rental house. The only way for AT&T to get out of the iPad plans is for the end user to miss a payment, switch to a different plan or use the service in something other than an iPad. If you make any of those mistakes AT&T will not let you get it back. The plan will exist for life per contract law on auto renewing policies if you always maintain it. The reason they can keep you from getting it again is because they have a right to change their policy, which they have as the Unlimited Plan is no longer available; however, because it auto renews it never ends. ie, catch 22. Sony Online Entertainment got stuck with the same legal snafu when they did their 6th year Anniversary subscriptions, the other benefit is they are not able to increase the cost either. Yes, these plans are valuable. $32/mo total for LTE/HSPA+/3G ie. Unlimited Data, Unlimited VoiP - Google Voice/Talkatone (~$2/mo), Unlimited Text - GV Connect/Google Voice is hard to beat. iPhones are compact, but iPads are the better value when it comes to UL GF data.

You know what is also similar to this? Rent Controlled Apartments in NY, same theory except rent controlled have a maximum increase built into them, no cost increase is built into the monthly recurring GF UL iPad data plan, nor is data speed limitations outside of the naturally occurring limitations of use of service.

You know how there is a fee to be let out of a contract? Well the fee for AT&T to be let out of the iPad plan is not specified but would be on the level of fraud. It could be highly costly for them to break the semi-never ending cycle. This is why the plan was quickly pulled, they realized their mistake. Additionally, they still make money but where an iPhone will be throttled, an iPad will not. It is not because AT&T is making more money off of one or the other, but because of the nature of the contract. I never realized this until today when I read your question to know AT&T would not do this on purpose so there had to be a real reason why, and then it all made perfect sense. Can any legal professionals validate my points?
 
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Hmm...

I have an original iPad with AT&T 3G. I don't want to get the new iPad without grandfathered unlimited data. I read through this thread and am still unsure. Where did MacRumors get this info from? Is it confirmed?
 
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I was wondering, wouldn't it be better to get Verizon's LTE data plan for those that don't have an unlimited plan for their iPad? The reason why I ask is because I have an at&t iPhone 4s because of it utilizing the HSPA+, however it is my understanding that only Verizon has real 4G (LTE). Any input would be appreciated, just seems like my impression was incorrect.
 
tido-AT&T does now, in fact have actual LTE in place (as well as HSPA+ backend). Verizon's has tested faster in speed tests. If you get good Verizon service where you live I would suggest the Verizon LTE. I have a Verizon LTE hotspot and it's VERY fast.
 
WOW i'm pissed! I sold my iPad unlimited data sim days ago only to be screwed by this news! The way they were headed I was sure they'd throttled it like the iPhone so I figured it was smart to dump it. Also, this just drove the price of the unlimited data sims way higher too!
 
I sold my unlimited sim, but I really don't think this will last forever. i am currently regretting it though :/

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Easy, they are in a catch 22. iPad plans are a recurring type of contract, different from cellular plans and renew monthly under terms of the agreement for which they were assigned. Fraud would occur if AT&T were to try to end them or modify them while in effect, and they are always in effect provided the end user maintains them.

Here's my opinion on the legal long and short of it, they cannot. The plan on the iPad is a recurring charge/contract/account tied to the device, not with the end user. Because it recurs, it never ends for new changes, features, or degradations in service to take effect. The reason it is transferable is because it is not with the end user. It auto renews each billing cycle per the original agreement for the device/plan/account. Additionally because it is with the iPad device account, it is valid with any iPad device, it can only be cancelled by AT&T if you use it in something other than an iPad or if you break the continuous billing cycle. It has to be maintained by AT&T or it violates their original agreement that has not expired because it has auto renewal built into the contract. A contract phone user has an expiration date with their service, it is not a recurring plan. AT&T has a better legal leg to stand on with phone services because those are with the end user and effectively terminate once your contract is up, such as a lease on a rental house. The only way for AT&T to get out of the iPad plans is for the end user to miss a payment, switch to a different plan or use the service in something other than an iPad. If you make any of those mistakes AT&T will not let you get it back. The plan will exist for life per contract law on auto renewing policies if you always maintain it. The reason they can keep you from getting it again is because they have a right to change their policy, which they have as the Unlimited Plan is no longer available; however, because it auto renews it never ends. ie, catch 22. Sony Online Entertainment got stuck with the same legal snafu when they did their 6th year Anniversary subscriptions, the other benefit is they are not able to increase the cost either. Yes, these plans are valuable. $32/mo total for LTE/HSPA+/3G ie. Unlimited Data, Unlimited VoiP - Google Voice/Talkatone (~$2/mo), Unlimited Text - GV Connect/Google Voice is hard to beat. iPhones are compact, but iPads are the better value when it comes to UL GF data.

You know what is also similar to this? Rent Controlled Apartments in NY, same theory except rent controlled have a maximum increase built into them, no cost increase is built into the monthly recurring GF UL iPad data plan, nor is data speed limitations outside of the naturally occurring limitations of use of service.

You know how there is a fee to be let out of a contract? Well the fee for AT&T to be let out of the iPad plan is not specified but would be on the level of fraud. It could be highly costly for them to break the semi-never ending cycle. This is why the plan was quickly pulled, they realized their mistake. Additionally, they still make money but where an iPhone will be throttled, an iPad will not. It is not because AT&T is making more money off of one or the other, but because of the nature of the contract. I never realized this until today when I read your question to know AT&T would not do this on purpose so there had to be a real reason why, and then it all made perfect sense. Can any legal professionals validate my points?

sounds reasonable to me and makes me really kick myself for selling
 
I really hope the OP is correct about this. Last night, before reading this, I called AT&T to ask how I would transfer my grandfathered account to the new iPad. The CSR told me it could not be done and tried to explain it as a technilogical limitation. When I pointed out that this wasn't true, that Ma Bell could charge us whatever the wanted for the service, she switched to the "we're poor" argument. ("Our customers have told us that the want 4G and we can't do that with unlimited 3G plans."). At that point I was too frustrated to continue my discussion.

I may take a chance and get the AT&T version and simply do what others have said and adjust my account info on the AT&T site.
 
Easy, they are in a catch 22. iPad plans are a recurring type of contract, different from cellular plans and renew monthly under terms of the agreement for which they were assigned. Fraud would occur if AT&T were to try to end them or modify them while in effect, and they are always in effect provided the end user maintains them.

Here's my opinion on the legal long and short of it, they cannot. The plan on the iPad is a recurring charge/contract/account tied to the device, not with the end user. Because it recurs, it never ends for new changes, features, or degradations in service to take effect. The reason it is transferable is because it is not with the end user. It auto renews each billing cycle per the original agreement for the device/plan/account. Additionally because it is with the iPad device account, it is valid with any iPad device, it can only be cancelled by AT&T if you use it in something other than an iPad or if you break the continuous billing cycle. It has to be maintained by AT&T or it violates their original agreement that has not expired because it has auto renewal built into the contract. A contract phone user has an expiration date with their service, it is not a recurring plan. AT&T has a better legal leg to stand on with phone services because those are with the end user and effectively terminate once your contract is up, such as a lease on a rental house. The only way for AT&T to get out of the iPad plans is for the end user to miss a payment, switch to a different plan or use the service in something other than an iPad. If you make any of those mistakes AT&T will not let you get it back. The plan will exist for life per contract law on auto renewing policies if you always maintain it. The reason they can keep you from getting it again is because they have a right to change their policy, which they have as the Unlimited Plan is no longer available; however, because it auto renews it never ends. ie, catch 22. Sony Online Entertainment got stuck with the same legal snafu when they did their 6th year Anniversary subscriptions, the other benefit is they are not able to increase the cost either. Yes, these plans are valuable. $32/mo total for LTE/HSPA+/3G ie. Unlimited Data, Unlimited VoiP - Google Voice/Talkatone (~$2/mo), Unlimited Text - GV Connect/Google Voice is hard to beat. iPhones are compact, but iPads are the better value when it comes to UL GF data.

You know what is also similar to this? Rent Controlled Apartments in NY, same theory except rent controlled have a maximum increase built into them, no cost increase is built into the monthly recurring GF UL iPad data plan, nor is data speed limitations outside of the naturally occurring limitations of use of service.

You know how there is a fee to be let out of a contract? Well the fee for AT&T to be let out of the iPad plan is not specified but would be on the level of fraud. It could be highly costly for them to break the semi-never ending cycle. This is why the plan was quickly pulled, they realized their mistake. Additionally, they still make money but where an iPhone will be throttled, an iPad will not. It is not because AT&T is making more money off of one or the other, but because of the nature of the contract. I never realized this until today when I read your question to know AT&T would not do this on purpose so there had to be a real reason why, and then it all made perfect sense. Can any legal professionals validate my points?


This is a perfectly fine analysis and all, but still, there's nothing stopping AT&T from essentially redefining the "unlimited" service, and throttling it after a certain arbitrary number is reached. Say, 3 GB, and claim that this only affects the "top 5% of users." Or 3.5 GB, and claim that it only affects the "top 4.1%." They can make up whatever new limitations they want. They did exactly this for those of us with unlimited plans on our iPhones and nothing you've said above would preclude them from doing it for iPads too... eventually.

That being said, this rumor (along with the link to manage our iPad plans ourselves, no SIM swap expected) has gotten me choosing the iPad 3 with AT&T instead of Verizon. Fingers crossed it all works out pleasantly and I end up with unlimited LTE for as long as I wish (and keep consistently subscribed, of course.)
 
Just be careful on your renewal date...

When you switch it over, at the end you will more likely than not have to "resubmit" to the unlimited data plan. Watch for this, because you only have two days to fix it. I will know more on the 16th when I switch my data plan over. I am sure there will be a few of us in this thread doing similar.
 
When you switch it over, at the end you will more likely than not have to "resubmit" to the unlimited data plan. Watch for this, because you only have two days to fix it. I will know more on the 16th when I switch my data plan over. I am sure there will be a few of us in this thread doing similar.

Good to know, and thanks. Where does this "resubmission" take place? On the iPad itself, under Settings? And can you do it right away, or do you have to wait some period of time?
 
Good to know, and thanks. Where does this "resubmission" take place? On the iPad itself, under Settings? And can you do it right away, or do you have to wait some period of time?

You will get an email to the address on file with the account that it tried to bill your credit card and failed. You can try it offline, but get one chance and the unlimited disappears from your selections if you screw up a credit card entry. You then have to sign in through the iPad where the unlimited option still exists. It's a bit nerve wracking, I lock my family out and do it so I have no distractions (2-GF UL data plans). The only other option is to call after that and talk specifically to the iPad department of AT&T, the other bunch has no clue how to handle them and you do not want them screwing you up. If it does disappear, in the past they had people sign up for the 2GB plan (no clue what they would require now), and they then converted it back to UL but has to be done within that two day window.

I make sure my plans have email addresses that relay success or failure to my iPad, and pay attention to them.
 
You will get an email to the address on file with the account that it tried to bill your credit card and failed.

I'm sorry, I'm not following you...

Why would the credit card fail? I'm still using the same credit card, the same one that's been billed consistently for two years now. I am just changing the iPad the subscription is being billed for (by entering the new IMEI, and ICCID of the new MicroSIM on this page here -- http://www.att.com/ipadlanding -- on my laptop.) You get there by clicking "Get Your Pass." Our other account details stay the same. We're just changing the registered iPad info.

I can understand what you're saying if my credit card or billing address changed or my credit card was stolen and I needed to use a new one, etc.

Are you saying that simply changing the IMEI/ICCID will make the next credit card billing cycle fail? And then we need to "resubmit" to make sure it sticks?

Thanks for the info; I appreciate it.
 
I'm sorry, I'm not following you...

Why would the credit card fail? I'm still using the same credit card, the same one that's been billed consistently for two years now. I am just changing the iPad the subscription is being billed for (by entering the new IMEI, and ICCID of the new MicroSIM on this page here -- http://www.att.com/ipadlanding -- on my laptop.) You get there by clicking "Get Your Pass." Our other account details stay the same. We're just changing the registered iPad info.

I can understand what you're saying if my credit card or billing address changed or my credit card was stolen and I needed to use a new one, etc.

Are you saying that simply changing the IMEI/ICCID will make the next credit card billing cycle fail? And then we need to "resubmit" to make sure it sticks?

Anytime you change credit cards, like one expiring soon, and I think it happened with the IMEI change or email address change as well. I cannot remember. Just watch for it to be on the safe side. Tends to be on the first auto renewal after making changes when it tries to bill something new. It does not match from the prior month and auto kicks it out, mainly I think to get the acceptance of terms clicked in case you are a new user.
 
Okay, gotcha. I watch these emails too so I know what you're talking about. I'll be specifically mindful after that first month to see the successful renewal kick in and if it doesn't, I am happy to now we at least have 2 days to "make it right."

I just took a screenshot of my current account details on the web page, so I know to make them match 100% if necessary, when/if I have to do it on the iPad 3.
 
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