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I have been watching videos on folks using the apple pencil and the results are very nice. You seem to be able to really get light and dark lines and well as decent shading. I watched a guy do a few still lives and Just watching how well the pencil worked had me convinced that Id really like to try it.

The only thing is the IPad Pro is much too large for me to carry around as a sketch tablet. If they gave the ipad air 3 the same capabilities that would be killer. The IPad Air 3 would be the perfect size for me to use with the apple pencil. Apple please make this happen. Please make it work as well as it does on the ipad pro.

The Microsoft surface pro has been out a month and they still have a few wrinkles to work out. Im hoping they add support for the apple pencil for the ipad air 3 so I can stay with the ipad ecosystem. If not then I guess I will pull the trigger on the surface pro 4. Hopefully it will sort out the few issues it has.
 
I'm sure Apple Pencil will work with Air 3. I'm hoping so. But I'm fine with Wacom stylus anyway.


I currently have a wacom cintiq companion hybrid. As an android device its just ok. Its battery life on the 32gb version is extremely good. I dont know why but they put a smaller battery in the 16gb version. When its hooked up to a pc as a cintiq the pressure is beautiful. Its just like a 13hd touch. however even though it has a wacom digitizer the way it feels on android really is a let down. Im very unhappy with the way android feels with a stylus.
 
I own the iPad Pro and the Surface Pro 3 (which, LxW is the same as the SP4) - I also owned the iPad Air 2 before I sold it to buy the iPP. For me, the size difference between the SP3 and the iPP was barely noticeable. The difference between the SP3 and the iPA2 was much more noticeable.

(Basically saying that, if you don't want to carry around the iPP, then the SP3/4 won't be much of an improvement.)
 
I hope so too. I'm not an illustrator, but it'll be great for sketching in meetings.

3D touch is equally, if not more, important to me. iPad needs more shortcuts to speedup workflow and have it match the speed one can work on the desktop.
 
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I currently have a wacom cintiq companion hybrid. As an android device its just ok. Its battery life on the 32gb version is extremely good. I dont know why but they put a smaller battery in the 16gb version. When its hooked up to a pc as a cintiq the pressure is beautiful. Its just like a 13hd touch. however even though it has a wacom digitizer the way it feels on android really is a let down. Im very unhappy with the way android feels with a stylus.

I have tried with my LG G Pad tablet before it doesn't feel right but I think it might have to do with screen protector on it. I don't know. But on iPad Air it is so perfect!
 
I have felt since its release that the iPad Air2 is an example of a "perfectly" refined product. And I also own every pressure sensitive stylus for the iPad. I do the vast majority of my work, both creative work and standard document-presentation-research stuff on my Air.

Now, having had an IPP and Pencil to demo, I'm actually hoping that Apple keeps the Pencil exclusive to the IPP. Drawing (which I do) and annotating PDFs (which I do) are just so much more satisfying on the IPP.

My iPad Air 2 seems like a toy now.
 
Now, having had an IPP and Pencil to demo, I'm actually hoping that Apple keeps the Pencil exclusive to the IPP. Drawing (which I do) and annotating PDFs (which I do) are just so much more satisfying on the IPP.

Variations of the "The Pro should be different" argument never made sense to me. If some people are using a 13" laptop for productivity, and other people are using a 15" laptop for productivity, should you deny the 13" features to differentiate the two? Does that mean you will get people to migrate from the 13", or that you will instead get some sticking with the 13" form factor and lamenting the fact that the 15" is the one getting features you want too (discrete GPU)? Because right now, Apple's whole argument around the Pro revolves around the extra working space that a 13" screen gives you, the software is not different (to the lament of some on this forum), and really the only thing the Pro can do right now that other models cannot do in any way is use the Pencil. But the Pencil isn't just for productivity type things, or is in any way innately tied to what the Pro is. The exception is that I don't think you could have gotten creative professionals onboard with v1 without a stylus.

How people work is dependent on what work they are doing, and how they do it, along with personal preferences. While I agree that the Pro has some nice advantages over the Air in terms of form factor for some workflows, this forum makes it obvious that making the Pencil exclusive to the Pro won't make folks who want it for iPad Air workflows switch. I'm one of those folks who tried to switch and found out that in my case, the Pro form factor is more liability than bonus (despite liking it a lot otherwise). So for those of us who are on a form factor for a reason, should Apple really leave 100$ on the table on the off chance that some amount will switch (that aren't interested in the form factor), so they can get the upsell money from that too? Or should they make the accessory available more more models so they can get the upsell money from those willing to go to a larger form factor, and the upsell money from those that won't, but want a stylus on the iPad Air that doesn't suck, and is still accurate.
 
I'm was making a completely eccentric and purely aesthetic comment that had nothing to do with marketing or getting people to switch or workflows. I now view using pressure sensitive stylii on the iPad Air as just too limited and clunky. I just think that the Pencil and its pressure sensitivity really requires the IPP.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me. :)
 
Variations of the "The Pro should be different" argument never made sense to me. If some people are using a 13" laptop for productivity, and other people are using a 15" laptop for productivity, should you deny the 13" features to differentiate the two? Does that mean you will get people to migrate from the 13", or that you will instead get some sticking with the 13" form factor and lamenting the fact that the 15" is the one getting features you want too (discrete GPU)? Because right now, Apple's whole argument around the Pro revolves around the extra working space that a 13" screen gives you, the software is not different (to the lament of some on this forum), and really the only thing the Pro can do right now that other models cannot do in any way is use the Pencil. But the Pencil isn't just for productivity type things, or is in any way innately tied to what the Pro is. The exception is that I don't think you could have gotten creative professionals onboard with v1 without a stylus.

How people work is dependent on what work they are doing, and how they do it, along with personal preferences. While I agree that the Pro has some nice advantages over the Air in terms of form factor for some workflows, this forum makes it obvious that making the Pencil exclusive to the Pro won't make folks who want it for iPad Air workflows switch. I'm one of those folks who tried to switch and found out that in my case, the Pro form factor is more liability than bonus (despite liking it a lot otherwise). So for those of us who are on a form factor for a reason, should Apple really leave 100$ on the table on the off chance that some amount will switch (that aren't interested in the form factor), so they can get the upsell money from that too? Or should they make the accessory available more more models so they can get the upsell money from those willing to go to a larger form factor, and the upsell money from those that won't, but want a stylus on the iPad Air that doesn't suck, and is still accurate.

I'm completely on board with you, and am also pretty sure they won't force the big screen size down our throats in the long run.
 
You're right we don't :).

Just because it doesn't work for you means the res of us have to get screwed.

I'm was making a completely eccentric and purely aesthetic comment that had nothing to do with marketing or getting people to switch or workflows. I now view using pressure sensitive stylii on the iPad Air as just too limited and clunky. I just think that the Pencil and its pressure sensitivity really requires the IPP.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me. :)
 
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