iPad Pro 10.5 50/50 Split Dealbreaker?

JoJoCal19

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I was split between the 10.5 and 12.9, as I prefer the size of the 10.5, but I just saw on Twitter that Serenity from iMore confirmed that when using 50/50 split, the 10.5 uses the apps iPhone UI, and the 12.9 uses the iPad UI for apps. This may be a deal-breaker sadly. Split screen work is something I'll be doing a lot of. Admittedly I don't have any experience with 50/50 on a 9.7, and have only used it on a 12.9 in the Apple store, which I liked.

So I'm wondering, how big of an issue is this actually, and is this a deal-breaker for anyone else?

 
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If you really use split screen a lot on the 12.9 and enjoy those sizes when multitasking, then you’re probably better off with the 12.9 over the 10.5

Feels like the 10.5 is much closer to the 9.7 in terms of UI and real estate than the 12.9.
 

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Yes. That's a deal breaker for me. :( Even if it has 4GB Ram. I make heavy use of multitasking and even more with iOS 11.
Wait so does this mean the 9.7" Pro when in 50/50 also uses the iPhone UI Apps as well ?

Otherwise this is a community wide red alert canceled my pre-order as we speak. Will have to wait and see it In person now, that's it.

And who even knows if 120hz even functions when in 50/50 mode or scrolling ? No answers.
 
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Yes. That's a deal breaker for me. :( Even if it has 4GB Ram. I make heavy use of multitasking and even more with iOS 11.
I saw this today and was heartbroken and disappointed now I have to cough up premium for the 12.9inch. Very disappointing news. Even with the new improvements using the 10.5 inch would be essentially a slightly larger version of my Air 2 which I dislike exactly for the very issue mentioned in this thread.
 

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I saw this today and was heartbroken and disappointed now I have to cough up premium for the 12.9inch. Very disappointing news. Even with the new improvements using the 10.5 inch would be essentially a slightly larger version of my Air 2 which I dislike exactly for the very issue mentioned in this thread.
Yes, sad news. But the 12.9 Pro is worth every penny... this updated model, even more so.
 

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I'm just glad I found this out before the morning when I place my order with VZW. I'd have not been happy to find it out after the fact. If multitasking wouldn't be such a large use case for getting the IPP, I'd be fine with the 10.5 otherwise.
 

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If you really use split screen a lot on the 12.9 and enjoy those sizes when multitasking, then you’re probably better off with the 12.9 over the 10.5

Feels like the 10.5 is much closer to the 9.7 in terms of UI and real estate than the 12.9.
That was kinda to be expected especially after seeing PPI was still 264 and not 326.

At 2732*2048, split screen is 1366*2048.

At 2224*1668, split screen is 1112*1668.

Meanwhile, iPhone 7 Plus is 1080*1920 and iPhone 7 is 750*1334.
 

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Perhaps I'm not familiar enough with this to understand, but are you saying that when using the 10.5 (or the old 9.7 iPad Pro) in 50/50 split mode view with 2 apps open at the same time, that instead of each app looking like they would on an iPad, they will instead look like they would on my iPhone??

I don't even see how that can be possible, considering some apps do not even have an iPhone version, such as the Microsoft Office apps.

I've not played with the iPad Pro 9.7, but are you saying that when viewing Safari in split view, you don't see the tabs on top and you see the navigation buttons on the bottom like on my iPhone? I really do have a hard time imagining that. Perhaps someone can post a picture of some examples?

If you are saying that the size of the navigation buttons for each app is more like an iPhone, then yes that is obvious considering the screen size. If they were to just shrink down the entire app to half size, then the touch targets would get very small, so instead it would make sense to enlarge the touch buttons to a reasonable size proportional to the size of the app.
 

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Perhaps I'm not familiar enough with this to understand, but are you saying that when using the 10.5 (or the old 9.7 iPad Pro) in 50/50 split mode view with 2 apps open at the same time, that instead of each app looking like they would on an iPad, they will instead look like they would on my iPhone??

I don't even see how that can be possible, considering some apps do not even have an iPhone version, such as the Microsoft Office apps.

I've not played with the iPad Pro 9.7, but are you saying that when viewing Safari in split view, you don't see the tabs on top and you see the navigation buttons on the bottom like on my iPhone? I really do have a hard time imagining that. Perhaps someone can post a picture of some examples?
its true lol sorry I cannot post photos as I'm on my Mac
 

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Just sold my 12.9 IPP to switch to 10.5. I used it everyday, but it's just so big. I carry a 15" mbp with me as well. Didn't really see the reason to carry a 15" mbp and almost a 13" tablet. Excited for the 10.5 inch. Those thin bezels look beautiful. Also quite a few apps still don't support the 12.9 IPP resolution. Even a company as big as Facebook doesn't support it. So the 10.5 is the new size that everyone will adapt to.
 
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I guess you are right.....



There is Safari on the left, looking just like on the iPhone.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I will admit that when I first got my iPad Pro 12.9, I was very impressed with the multitasking and tended to use split screen (not 50/50 view, but 80/20 view) quite often. Most common was to have my messages app on the right side while using Safari or another app on the right. As time has gone on, I find I use it less and less, and with an even smaller screen I'm not sure if I would use it much at all. So this is probably a non-issue for me.

Just a question..... what about if you use the split screen view in 80/20 mode? Does the app on the "80" side still retain its iPad view?
 

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I guess you are right.....



There is Safari on the left, looking just like on the iPhone.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I will admit that when I first got my iPad Pro 12.9, I was very impressed with the multitasking and tended to use split screen (not 50/50 view, but 80/20 view) quite often. Most common was to have my messages app on the right side while using Safari or another app on the right. As time has gone on, I find I use it less and less, and with an even smaller screen I'm not sure if I would use it much at all. So this is probably a non-issue for me.

Just a question..... what about if you use the split screen view in 80/20 mode? Does the app on the "80" side still retain its iPad view?
yep 80 app is ipad view
 

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Ugh. I was really hoping for either iPad mini screen density, or at least a GPU scaled mode.

I typically am in 80/20 mode anyways, but I love the amount of information the 12.9” displays. I just hate the size, at that point I can just carry around a MacBook Pro.
 

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Yes. That's a deal breaker for me. :( Even if it has 4GB Ram. I make heavy use of multitasking and even more with iOS 11.
Good point. I'm not a heavy multitasker, so perhaps the 10.5 inch would suit me. Although I really have grown appreciate the 12.9 iPad Pro since it's launch almost 2 years ago. On a sidenote, it sounds like 4 GB of RAM is confirmed for both models.
 
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Yes. That's a deal breaker for me. :( Even if it has 4GB Ram. I make heavy use of multitasking and even more with iOS 11.
I didn't realize - were you planning on going with the 10.5 if it had a higher resolution?

Perhaps I'm not familiar enough with this to understand, but are you saying that when using the 10.5 (or the old 9.7 iPad Pro) in 50/50 split mode view with 2 apps open at the same time, that instead of each app looking like they would on an iPad, they will instead look like they would on my iPhone??

I don't even see how that can be possible, considering some apps do not even have an iPhone version, such as the Microsoft Office apps.

I've not played with the iPad Pro 9.7, but are you saying that when viewing Safari in split view, you don't see the tabs on top and you see the navigation buttons on the bottom like on my iPhone? I really do have a hard time imagining that. Perhaps someone can post a picture of some examples?

If you are saying that the size of the navigation buttons for each app is more like an iPhone, then yes that is obvious considering the screen size. If they were to just shrink down the entire app to half size, then the touch targets would get very small, so instead it would make sense to enlarge the touch buttons to a reasonable size proportional to the size of the app.
They don't specifically drop to iPhone size, rather they scale to a smaller size than what an original iPad app would be, along with controls that would be similar to an iPhone UI (like the screenshot above, with Safari controls on the bottom). You can also do 75/25 split on screen and app will adapt to the layout (those which have been updated for it - many have).

so i dont understand, what is the problem here? this 10.5" has not the same split view like the 9.7" ?
Not really a problem, I just think many of us were hoping for split screen with more real estate so that multitasking on the 10.5 would be similar to the 12.9, where as it seems closer to the 9.7.

It's not a bad thing overall, I think it's better how they keep UI and touch targets consistent across all devices (except the mini now of course, lol).
 

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so i dont understand, what is the problem here? this 10.5" has not the same split view like the 9.7" ?
Correct, it has the same split 50/50 view as the 9.7 (which I've not used it on the 9.7, only the 12.9). For just an example of one of my use cases, using Safari in one window, and Notability in the other. As shown above by Eric5273, it shows the iPhone UI version of Safari, and also Notability (or whatever other app I'm using). That's not going to be ideal for me in my specific use cases. I want full iPad UI/capability in each side.
 
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This has nothing to do with splitscreen but does relate to comparing the two ipad pros. At the wwdc I saw the demo of keyboard flick to show numbers vs letters. Then I read in a posting on this board this morning that the 12.9" ipp will not have that. Hope that's not true, cant imagine why it would not, but something to research in your decision as to which model is right for you.
 

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This has nothing to do with splitscreen but does relate to comparing the two ipad pros. At the wwdc I saw the demo of keyboard flick to show numbers vs letters. Then I read in a posting on this board this morning that the 12.9" ipp will not have that. Hope that's not true, cant imagine why it would not, but something to research in your decision as to which model is right for you.
I'm going to assume the 12.9" won't have it as it has a much larger on screen keyboard with a number row. Tried out the key flicking on my 9.7, works nicely.

9.7/10.5:

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12.9:

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its ok, since ipad mini has not being updated...i always felt the mini 7.9" is too small for multitasking, and also i dont think for the iphone 8 to make same thing as they did with ios11 for 10.5" and 12.9"
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I'm going to assume the 12.9" won't have it as it has a much larger on screen keyboard with a number row. Tried out the key flicking on my 9.7, works nicely.

9.7/10.5:

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yep the 12.9" doesnt need the keyboard flick...but i wonder if it wasnt nice to make it for iphone also for quicker typo? or the display is too small? at least for iphone plus and iphone 8
 

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Just placed my order for the 12.9. I do have a Mini 2 that I really like so when I decide to lay on the couch and hold my iPad, I'll just grab that. Not going to lie, I think the 10.5 is really amazing and the perfect overall combination of size and power. I just have specific use cases that I'm not going to compromise on minor details.