Ipad Pro 1st or 2nd Gen - tight budget.

emadmoussa

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Hi there,

So basically, while I'm very interested in getting the Ipad 12.9 2nd Gen, I'm still in two minds given that the 1st Gen is at least £140 (roughly $200 - I think) cheaper. I'm an academic and an artist, and will be using the machine for PDF mark-up, academic journals, and sketching. I have a tight budget and paying the extra to get the 2nd Gen will be quite a stretch. Not a fatal one, but perhaps slightly a painful one.

I used to have the Surface 4 - apart from the PDF annotation which was excellent and served its purpose, but I eventually grew to hate this tablet with passion :( Sold now. All of our machines at home are Apple (I'm not an Apple enthusiast, though. I Just appreciate the quality and little hassle of their machines ;) ).

So, what are your thoughts, please? Is the 2nd Gen worth the extra money for academic and art work?

Thanks!
 

sosumi99

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Only you can answer the question of whether the new features would be worth it for you. In particular, if you’re an artist, the reduced latency of the Apple Pencil on 2nd Gen is noticeable and something you’ll experience every time you sketch. If you keep the iPad for three years or so, that’s more than a thousand days of having to deal with that extra feeling of “the lines aren’t following my pencil as tightly as they should” with the 1st Gen.

On the other hand, if you’ve tried the 1st Gen and feel that the pencil works on it well, then you can actually use the extra money you’ll save to buy the Apple Pencil. Given your use cases, I really think the biggest difference between the two generations will be the latency, so you should try it in a store and see if it’s something you can live with for the years you’ll be keeping the device.
 
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emadmoussa

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Only you can answer the question of whether the new features would be worth it for you. In particular, if you’re an artist, the reduced latency of the Apple Pencil on 2nd Gen is noticeable and something you’ll experience every time you sketch. If you keep the iPad for three years or so, that’s more than a thousand days of having to deal with that extra feeling of “the lines aren’t following my pencil as tightly as they should” with the 1st Gen.

On the other hand, if you’ve tried the 1st Gen and feel that the pencil works on it well, then you can actually use the extra money you’ll save to buy the Apple Pencil. Given your use cases, I really think the biggest difference between the two generations will be the latency, so you should try it in a store and see if it’s something you can live with for the years you’ll be keeping the device.
Thank you! I didn't know there was a noticeable difference in latency. I guess this makes the decision for me. Thanks!
 

sosumi99

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Thank you! I didn't know there was a noticeable difference in latency. I guess this makes the decision for me. Thanks!
No problem. You’ll probably find this video helpful, as it illustrates the difference in detail:


My personal experience is that the lag on the Gen 1 is noticeable, but it’s also something that you can get used to. I’m not a professional artist, however, so your tolerance for the lag may be less.
 

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Hi there,

So basically, while I'm very interested in getting the Ipad 12.9 2nd Gen, I'm still in two minds given that the 1st Gen is at least £140 (roughly $200 - I think) cheaper. I'm an academic and an artist, and will be using the machine for PDF mark-up, academic journals, and sketching. I have a tight budget and paying the extra to get the 2nd Gen will be quite a stretch. Not a fatal one, but perhaps slightly a painful one.

I used to have the Surface 4 - apart from the PDF annotation which was excellent and served its purpose, but I eventually grew to hate this tablet with passion :( Sold now. All of our machines at home are Apple (I'm not an Apple enthusiast, though. I Just appreciate the quality and little hassle of their machines ;) ).

So, what are your thoughts, please? Is the 2nd Gen worth the extra money for academic and art work?

Thanks!
Get the iPad Pro 2nd Gen Why For 4 Reasons

#1.You will always have remorse if you don’t get the 2nd Gen
#2. 4GB RAM the usefulll life will be much longer Upgrade wise. Old 1st Gen with 2GB RAM won’t
#3. A10X CPU is notably faster than the A9X even in day to day use.
#4. The Apple Pencil Latency is below human Peception at least to me 2nd Gen is a must
 

rui no onna

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Get the iPad Pro 2nd Gen Why For 4 Reasons

#1.You will always have remorse if you don’t get the 2nd Gen
#2. 4GB RAM the usefulll life will be much longer Upgrade wise. Old 1st Gen with 2GB RAM won’t
#3. A10X CPU is notably faster than the A9X even in day to day use.
#4. The Apple Pencil Latency is below human Peception at least to me 2nd Gen is a must
1st gen 12.9 has 4GB RAM, actually.
 
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KitnB

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I had the same dilemma but for the 9.7 Pro vs 10.5 Pro. For my usage and the money, I choose the 9.7 Pro + Apple Pencil + Smart Keyboard combo. I just couldn’t stomach paying MacBook Pro prices for a 256GB 10.5” iPad + Apple Pencil +
Smart Keyboard.

I do a lot of handwritten notes for work and for personal as well as sketching/drawing and painting (I have a BFA and classically trained in every manner of visual art) so that aspect is important to me but I compared the iPad Pro 10.5 with an iPad 2017 sitting right next to it in the Apple store, testing the 120Hz refresh and although noticeable, it’s not $300+ noticeable! So I went with the 9.7” Pro and couldn’t be happier.

Go to an Apple retail store and compare for yourself and see if the 120Hz is worth the extra $$$ for YOU.

Good luck! :)
 
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emadmoussa

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Thank you, guys, for all your help. One question though, is it worth getting the Apple pencil second hand?! I'm worried since it's got no warranty left, it's basically a risk?
[doublepost=1506511309][/doublepost]Ouch!! I took the plunge and ordered the 2nd Gen version. Ah well, at least it'll last me for years to come. Good thing though, since I have a lecturer/student discount, I got it at least $120 cheaper than the Apple Store - also with free 4 years warranty. Time to bleed a little bit more and get the unjustifiably overpriced rip-off, AKA the Apple pencil.
 
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I dont think the 2nd gen is worth it. It has "nice-to-have" improvements, but no practical functional differences that will impact you at the moment. Maybe in several years if IOS and apps require more from the processor. Plus the 1st gen can sit flat on a table with no case and not wobble around ;)
#hateprotrudingcameras :apple:
 
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emadmoussa

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I dont think the 2nd gen is worth it. It has "nice-to-have" improvements, but no practical functional differences that will impact you at the moment. Maybe in several years if IOS and apps require more from the processor. Plus the 1st gen can sit flat on a table with no case and not wobble around ;)
#hateprotrudingcameras :apple:
I thought the refresh rate wasn't going to make a difference. Well, for an average user, maybe not. But for art and sketching, it did actually feel more accurate and allowed me to be more in control. This alone pushed me to bear the pain of the extra cost. I still think Apple products, regardless of everything, are overpriced.
 
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I thought the refresh rate wasn't going to make a difference. Well, for an average user, maybe not. But for art and sketching, it did actually feel more accurate and allowed me to be more in control. This alone pushed me to bear the pain of the extra cost. I still think Apple products, regardless of everything, are overpriced.
But how much of that is psychological? Before the 2nd gen was released, generally speaking, artists were quite content with the performance. That peformance has not changed simply because Apple released the 2nd gen.

In my firsthand experiences, I've found that the choice of apps and screen protectors have a greater impact on drawing experience than the difference between the 1st and 2nd gen Pros.
 

emadmoussa

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But how much of that is psychological? Before the 2nd gen was released, generally speaking, artists were quite content with the performance. That peformance has not changed simply because Apple released the 2nd gen.

In my firsthand experiences, I've found that the choice of apps and screen protectors have a greater impact on drawing experience than the difference between the 1st and 2nd gen Pros.
There's that. However, I spent the last 9 months using the Surface 4 Pro. It had almost an identical pencil latency to the 1st Gen Ipad (which I occasionally used since the Ms has it). I kept it since it's PDF annotation was a lot better than anything Apple produced. When I drew on the Ipad 2nd Gen, I didn't even know the refresh rate had anything to do with the pen performance. I had to ask why the machine (didn't know it was 2nd gen) felt smoother and more responsive to draw on than my wife's? Anyhoo, I got a discount on my purchase, which somewhat cushioned my wallet.
 

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But how much of that is psychological? Before the 2nd gen was released, generally speaking, artists were quite content with the performance. That peformance has not changed simply because Apple released the 2nd gen.

In my firsthand experiences, I've found that the choice of apps and screen protectors have a greater impact on drawing experience than the difference between the 1st and 2nd gen Pros.
I completely agree with this! The first gen is still as smooth as ever. I don’t have a second gen 12.9 (just the first gen) but I don’t notice a markable difference between the 9.7 and the 10.5.
 
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Honestly, the 12.9 first gen is a really capable machine. It’s a great bargain now too as you can find some excellent deals either buying from a retailer, or buying second hand like from the marketplace here or craigslist. It’s actually quite shocking how good a deal you can get.

I recently upgraded from the 1st gen 12.9 to the 10.5, but mostly because the smaller screen size suited me really well. If it wasn’t for wanting a smaller screen pretty badly, then I would have easily kept the 1st gen 12.9.

Having said that, the upgrades that are there are very nice on the new pros.
 
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Thank you, guys, for all your help. One question though, is it worth getting the Apple pencil second hand?! I'm worried since it's got no warranty left, it's basically a risk?
[doublepost=1506511309][/doublepost]Ouch!! I took the plunge and ordered the 2nd Gen version. Ah well, at least it'll last me for years to come. Good thing though, since I have a lecturer/student discount, I got it at least $120 cheaper than the Apple Store - also with free 4 years warranty. Time to bleed a little bit more and get the unjustifiably overpriced rip-off, AKA the Apple pencil.
For an academic, I would say, it is a must, speaking from personal experience! The Pencil, I mean...;>))

Edit - typos
 

m6255

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Hi there,

So basically, while I'm very interested in getting the Ipad 12.9 2nd Gen, I'm still in two minds given that the 1st Gen is at least £140 (roughly $200 - I think) cheaper. I'm an academic and an artist, and will be using the machine for PDF mark-up, academic journals, and sketching. I have a tight budget and paying the extra to get the 2nd Gen will be quite a stretch. Not a fatal one, but perhaps slightly a painful one.

I used to have the Surface 4 - apart from the PDF annotation which was excellent and served its purpose, but I eventually grew to hate this tablet with passion :( Sold now. All of our machines at home are Apple (I'm not an Apple enthusiast, though. I Just appreciate the quality and little hassle of their machines ;) ).

So, what are your thoughts, please? Is the 2nd Gen worth the extra money for academic and art work?

Thanks!
[doublepost=1524446453][/doublepost]Hi, I have an iPad Pro first gen. I’m about to upgrade my iPhone from 6s to x so I thought I’d do a comparison on the 2 generations.

First off the iPad Pro gen 1 is no slouch. I have 128gb memory largest offered at the time. I’ve got it pretty loaded and have used 50 percent. I used to be one of those people who updated his iPhone every new offeringbut I quit doing that. I have been satisfied with every iPhone I’ve ever owned and started with the second iPhone.

As far as the 2 iPads I think the only significant thing that would make me upgrade is twice the memory. Apple rule of thumb on iPhone/iPad memory used to be 100 bucks per 100 gb. My iPad has the x10 rocessor. I mess with digital recording, like watching a video maybe if I’m out somewhere. The WiFi is ac awesome , I have an Apple TV gen 3 and charter spectrum so things like hbogo work with my iPad perfectly but for some reason hbogo and others don’t work with charter spectrum where all those apps work on my iPad. I may start watching a movie on my iPad, get home and finish it through AirPlay. I have an excellent WiFi system at home so there’s never a hiccup. Works better than my iPhone 6s which has the x9 dual core .

If your main reason choosing between the w iPads, to me the only exciting thing is the double the memory. I’ve heard eventually it will be 512 gb . That would be worth 200 to me otherwise gen 1 and 2 look the same. I love it for watching movies the quality of the picture is excellent. The quad speakers ( sounds like the late 70s ) gives you an incredible field of sound totally unexpected from a tablet. Compared to my old iPads where I would use a Bluetooth speaker or stereo in the house, I really have no complaints about the sound. Matter of fact I was brought up in thlate 50s 60s and love to go to YouTube to watch and listen to some of my old hero’s. And what I thought might be a 10 minute watch and listen turned into hours and I am a total audio file. I can’t stand listening to YouTube on an iPhone , obviously I’d always prefer mt home entertainment unit and with my 3 Apple TVs and a couple great sound systems I have incredible audio that in the 70s I never thought possible without spending 10k on a system.

Anyway, hope I didn’t ramble too much, but I think until there’s a significant difference between the iPad pro’s or if they were to increase the size up to maybe a legal pad, I’m just gonna keep my now 3 year old iPad Pro.
Wanted to get an Apple Pencil but for 100 bucks, it doesn’t excite me that much.

I also wanted to say that I was a windows user from 1985until about the time I got my second iPhone. I know for example the Microsoft pad/comPuter I think Microsoft makes it, may have more bells and whistles like the detachable physicalkeyboard. I’ve looked back and forth but then all I have to do is remember the decades of getting a fast windows computer and in 6 months somehowit slowed to the pace of a turtle . I have an Apple iMac made in 2011. I installed a great 1 tb SSD drive upgraded my own ram to 32gb, I hate when you have to buy upgrades from Apple they think the whole country are limousine liberals insane are their prices. I have a 4th hen I5 quad core, thought I was going to want to upgrade to the i7 quad core but with huge amount of ram and the SSD, it never slows down. My wife has a brand new windows laptop my iPad blows that away along with my 2011 iMac. BTW 2011 was a great year for mac’s and users who like t[o DIY, after that they started soldering in ram CPU and other things so you had to buy upgrades from Apple and my same configuration would have cost me about 3800 bucks from Apple, I don’t think I have a k invested in my iMac. I may break down for a newer one but I won’t sell my old one, as a second computer well it still acts like if I were to buy a super fast windows gaming computer and it was a week old. Time has no control over my Apple products.

Not to mention for years every time I wanted to upgrade my OS in windows I’d make a payment to bill gates mortgage , Apple, they just give ya the next os free. Incredible. Plus my iMac 2011 can run windows 10 perfectly should I require to use a windows program. Sounds so heavy stuffed. I think the apps were started by Apple. Low priced, focused, and not stuffed with all kinds of crap I’ll never use but slows down my com]puter after installing. That’s the Microsoft way. Geeez, with a Microsoft computer and b4 windows 8 after a year of installing programs, it could take 5 to 10 minutes to bit. My Mac when not in use just takes a quiet nap, same for iPad and iPhone, plus what everI do in any of my Apple devices automatically happens in the other device. Compared to my old Microsoft this is science fiction come true !



First edit,
After all these years owing an iPhone, last night I slipped on some refrozen snow melt and took a pretty good digger. I had happened to be texting my daughter when as I fell my iPhone 6s which had been in mint condition, I always protect them from the day I get them for resale value. They really hold their value for a few years.

Anyway since I was planning to upgrade to either the iPhone 8 or the iPhone X (talk about comparison, the insides are almost identical the screen really is the. I’m upgrade but there over 400 dollars difference. So I still haven’t made up my mind.

Back to the iPhone 6s with the smashed glass. I watched a YouTube video as everyone does these days to become an expert whatever, I watched a shattered screen/glass removed, some parts swapped and the new screen/glass combination installed in under 10 minutes. Don’t try changing just the glass like the old iPods. On Ebay or amazon a complete screen/glass assembly say glued can cost as little as 25 bucks. Note don’t buy the kits with l the new parts especiallly the home button. Because the aftermarket home button does not have finger print recognition.

Hay apple fans have a great day.
 
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