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iPad Pro Delays Could Be Down to Poor OLED Panel Production Yields

I have this feeling that Apple may not introduce the M2 iPad Air and M3 iPad Pro models until the start of WWDC. That way, they can build up inventory for initial sales.

And now, I'm reading some (admittedly!) sketchy rumors the M3 iPad Pro will come not only in 11 and 13 inch sizes, but also an even larger one somewhere just above 14 inches in size. (By the way, I don't believe that rumor at all.)
 
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MrGimper said:
As someone who owns an OLED iPhone (and all OLED iPhones before), several OLED TVs, and an M1 IPad Pro 12.9”, I’m more than happy with the Mini-LED screen. The weird screen tints on the OLED IPhone do my head in for starters. OLED on an iPad isn’t an inst-buy for me.
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Wow - you and I are really really different

Mini-LED sucks compared to OLED IMO
 
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MrGimper said:
That fair enough. IMO once you get black blacks, it’s not that big a deal. Brightness on Mini-LED is better currently and screens don’t have weird pink/yellow/green tints like iPhone OLEDs.
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I must be getting old - I really don't need more brightness

When I was shopping for my OLED TV I was reading about how much brighter QD-OLEDs can get and I'm glad I didn't bother worrying about that. My C3 gets so bright at times I can't even take it.

I'm sure there's some niche case that needs mega brightness but I personally am capped out with where I'm at (and then some)
 
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turbineseaplane said:
I must be getting old - I really don't need more brightness

When I was shopping for my OLED TV I was reading about how much brighter QD-OLEDs can get and I'm glad I didn't bother worrying about that. My C3 gets so bright at times I can't even take it.

I'm sure there's some niche case that needs mega brightness but I personally am capped out with where I'm at (and then some)
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Brightness plays a big part in HDR.
 
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Brightness for HDR isn't usually about average brightness. It's about peak brightness. You can have a screen that averages 120 nits brightness but that still hits 1000 nits at the same time in some parts of the image.

Fortunately, dual-stack OLED is supposed to be able to accomplish this, and accomplish it with low risk of burn-in. Unfortunately, dual-stack OLED is more expensive to produce.
 
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This screen tech smacks of first generation, with all the associated short and long term issues that come with that. Personally I woiuldn't be putting down the money Apple demands for a pro labelled tablet, so I could beta test the screen for Apple and its suppliers.
 
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GDF said:
Not me. LG was making OLED long before Samsung and reselling to other manufacturers like Sony. Much rather have an LG, which will come in the 13 iPad Pro I will be purchasing. 🙂
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First Samsung phone with OLED screen was released in 2010. First LG phone with OLED screen was released in 2019. FirstLG TV with OLED screen was released in 2012 but keep in mind that OLED TV panels use very different tech from OLED panels used for smartphones and tablets.
 
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MacRumors said:


OLED panel supply issues may be partly behind Apple's iPad Pro launch delay, based on reports coming out of Korea.

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Apple's original plan was to rely on different OLED display suppliers for the upcoming iPad Pro models, with Samsung Display exclusively producing ~11-inch panels and LG Display responsible for the required ~13-inch panels.

The division of labor was reportedly due to changes in Apple's demand outlook for OLED iPad Pro models, as well as the unstable production capacity and yield of the two suppliers, which are both still getting to grips with Apple's requirement for new panel technologies.

Early reports suggested the new models could arrive as soon as this month. However, according to Korean news site hankooki.com, Samsung has recently faced poor yields of the ~11-inch OLED panels, and it has been unable to meet Apple's order quantity. The shortfall has led Apple to transfer some orders for the smaller panel to LG Display. The latter is subsequently expected to increase its order by hundreds of thousands of units going into next month.

Given the reallocation, LG Display is now likely to supply 60% of the panels for the upcoming iPad Pro models. The company has invested millions of dollars into its sixth-generation small- and medium-sized OLED production line, and has now passed Apple's quality control standards for the smaller panels, enabling it to take up the slack from Samsung.

Apple earlier this month ordered an initial 8.5 million OLED display panels from the South Korean suppliers. Apple's latest shipments forecast is said to have been a decrease from the 10 million units that were projected for 2024 last year.

Apple is rumored to be aiming for "unrivaled" display quality with the new iPad Pro models, which will use a tandem OLED structure. The tandem structure is a method of stacking two layers of OLED light-emitting layers. It is superior to the luminance (screen brightness) and lifespan of a single OLED structure with one light-emitting layer. The iPhone currently uses a single stack OLED display with one light-emitting layer.

Apple will now introduce new iPad Pro models alongside new iPad Air models in early May, according to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. Apple is apparently working to "finish software for the new devices," and the iPad Pro models also need "complex new manufacturing techniques," which Gurman says has contributed to the delay.

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It's still iOS

Still lame

I like the point of an iPad but I really don't like iOS. And I've been on Mac since 7.5!! A fully revamped iOS on a refreshed Mac mini would be fantastic.

Hey siri, can you make iOS less garbage and baby focused ABC style computing 😁
 
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This makes more sense than “Apple is working on getting its software ready”… 😉
 
F23 said:
the updates about the launch delays are more exciting than the rumored changes to the iPad or iPadOS itself
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Yeah unless they pull a rabbit out of their hat on this refresh, I am incredibly unhype for this round of pros and I say that as a huge fan of the product overall. I use mine for work all the time.

I don't care about OLED and I especially don't want to pay the premium for it. After the generation where they moved to the M series chips, it feels like these things have really stagnated.
 
falainber said:
First Samsung phone with OLED screen was released in 2010. First LG phone with OLED screen was released in 2019. FirstLG TV with OLED screen was released in 2012 but keep in mind that OLED TV panels use very different tech from OLED panels used for smartphones and tablets.
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In Dell's XPS notebooks, the OLED displays have quite a bit less run time (they use more power). Due not just the displays, but also the GPU and their higher resolution. But it seems OLED does use more power. At least Dell's OLED.

One thing I am curious about is "blue light". My wife replaced her old iPad with a refurb Gen 2 10.5" iPad Pro in I think late 2018 or maybe early 2019. It was available due to the new 3rd gen iPads. I am looking to replace it, because its battery is stuffed and Apple Australia refuses to replace the battery. They claim its still within spec, although the "genius" staff admitted that Apple don't want to replace the battery because they want my wife to buy a new iPad. They say note down all the apps on the iPad, delete them all, delete the whole iPad and then install each of the apps with fresh versions from Apple store. They say then, it will run fine. Hmmm a lot of effort compared to being able to buy a battery. And I am dubious about their claim - I think as they did admit, they just want my wife to buy a new one.

But my desire for my wife's replacement iPad is to lower blue light. Because she doesn't sleep too well, and when she trialled reading books instead of her iPad in bed at night, she slept well. But she is addicted to the iPad when in bed. She also uses it to play podcasts which are sleeping aids - she now listens to an English history channel which has over 500 episodes. That channel sends me to sleep in about 90 seconds. It takes a fair bit longer for her.

My G3 OLED LG TV has a low blue light mode setting on it for the same reason - to assist people's brains from thinking it's daytime and hence not time to go to sleep. Which is what blue light does. I am wondering whether Apple IOS has low blue light settings, and if it does now, whether the OLED displays will feature that tech. And whether Samsung might have it too ... I wonder if she went to a Samsung, if she'd handle the difference in OS - she loves her Apple watch with its phone capability (it has an excellent E-Sim in it).
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Yeah. It’s way bright enough for me
Honestly gets too bright at times in DV on ATV
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But it is a bit different topic. I also use Oled LG C1 and it is bright enough for me even on low brightness in SDR but real HDR needs higher brighter than c3 or even qd Oled and G3 can deliver.
 
Melbourne Park said:
In Dell's XPS notebooks, the OLED displays have quite a bit less run time (they use more power). Due not just the displays, but also the GPU and their higher resolution. But it seems OLED does use more power. At least Dell's OLED.

One thing I am curious about is "blue light". My wife replaced her old iPad with a refurb Gen 2 10.5" iPad Pro in I think late 2018 or maybe early 2019. It was available due to the new 3rd gen iPads. I am looking to replace it, because its battery is stuffed and Apple Australia refuses to replace the battery. They claim its still within spec, although the "genius" staff admitted that Apple don't want to replace the battery because they want my wife to buy a new iPad. They say note down all the apps on the iPad, delete them all, delete the whole iPad and then install each of the apps with fresh versions from Apple store. They say then, it will run fine. Hmmm a lot of effort compared to being able to buy a battery. And I am dubious about their claim - I think as they did admit, they just want my wife to buy a new one.

But my desire for my wife's replacement iPad is to lower blue light. Because she doesn't sleep too well, and when she trialled reading books instead of her iPad in bed at night, she slept well. But she is addicted to the iPad when in bed. She also uses it to play podcasts which are sleeping aids - she now listens to an English history channel which has over 500 episodes. That channel sends me to sleep in about 90 seconds. It takes a fair bit longer for her.

My G3 OLED LG TV has a low blue light mode setting on it for the same reason - to assist people's brains from thinking it's daytime and hence not time to go to sleep. Which is what blue light does. I am wondering whether Apple IOS has low blue light settings, and if it does now, whether the OLED displays will feature that tech. And whether Samsung might have it too ... I wonder if she went to a Samsung, if she'd handle the difference in OS - she loves her Apple watch with its phone capability (it has an excellent E-Sim in it).
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Let’s try Filmmaker mode or something like that in your TV. Plus warm white balance instead of cold. You will see the difference. You don’t need any option which turning blue light. I mean I understand your point but we can’t have everything.
 
Melbourne Park said:
I don't know the tech that LG will be supplying, but in TVs they added last year an extra layer to their panels, which lowered reflections and hence made the screens much brighter. I presume such tech would be in small panels. And in TVs, Samsung had considerably more burn in than LG OLED screens - although testers reported burn in would only affect computer users, where menus often did not change. I don't know how Apple would get around that with its always on small screens. No doubt they will though.
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LG added micro lenses to their G series TV OLED. That’s why it is called MLA for G3 and next G4 series. It is not double layer OLED like Apple wants to.
Double layer maybe gives us better brightness and theoretically better life span but in general may generate more heat which is not good for OLED. Please remember that qd Oled was announced as more resistant to burn in because of quantum dots. Now it looks like that lack of white subpixel (comparing to lg) causes more burn in in static elements they everyone thought before. That’s why I agree that first models can have serious problems.
I was waiting for 2024 iPads pro but now I decided to go with Pro which is currently available. Maybe 11” doesn’t even have mini led but I don’t care. I don’t even care about Oled in my iPhone. IMO OLED is the best thing in TV where you watch movies etc. I know that people do this also on MacBooks or iPad but let’s be honest. 55”65” or even bigger vs 11/13” is a big difference. That’s why OLED in tv is more important to me than in mobile devices
 
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kristof461 said:
Double layer maybe gives us better brightness and theoretically better life span but in general may generate more heat which is not good for OLED.
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Dual stack supposedly generates less heat. ie. Two layers, each generating half the lumens, uses less power and generates less heat than one layer generating all the lumens.
 
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EugW said:
Dual stack supposedly generates less heat. ie. Two layers, each generating half the lumens, uses less power and generates less heat than one layer generating all the lumens.
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That also could be right but I am not sure about that. Especially when we are talking about passive cooling. Yes each layer will generate half lumens but remember that they will be heat from each other. I think no one knows the end result. That's why I won't be beta tester
 
kristof461 said:
That also could be right but I am not sure about that. Especially when we are talking about passive cooling. Yes each layer will generate half lumens but remember that they will be heat from each other. I think no one knows the end result. That's why I won't be beta tester
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This is one of the specific advantages listed for dual (and multi-stack) OLED, and in fact, it is one of the reasons dual-stack is supposed to have better longevity.

That said, there is nothing wrong with waiting a generation. While you won't be a beta tester for buying 1st generation, there still can be bugs and kinks that will be worked out over time.
 
EugW said:
This is one of the specific advantages listed for dual (and multi-stack) OLED, and in fact, it is one of the reasons dual-stack is supposed to have better longevity.

That said, there is nothing wrong with waiting a generation. While you won't be a beta tester for buying 1st generation, there still can be bugs and kinks that will be worked out over time.
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I disagree. Same thing everyone was saying about qd Oled and as I said before they are not more resistant to burn in. Second. Right now we are beta testers every single time when 1gen is coming. Doesn’t matter if it is tv smartphone etc. Butterfly keyboard well… qd Oled tv with some issues because of 1gen panels. I won’t make the same mistake again.
I am saying you can’t buy new iPad but I know that big companies don’t care about quality like in the past.
 
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